Originally posted by Mattsanity
Were the founding fathers of America christians? A lot of christians from America say they were, and a lot of non-christians say otherwise.
Absolutely not. Many were deists at best; if some were Christian they certainly didn't want a theocracy. Jefferson having his own version of the Bible with all the actual Christian belief taken out of it is a good example.
Christian nationalism has been rightfully condemned as a heresy in much of Christian orthodoxy going back thousands of years. When Christ said "my kingdom is not of this world" He meant it. Or look at when Paul says in Galatians "there is neither Jew nor Greek" as the new identity is in Christ, not national origin.
Source: grew up in a conservative Christian nationalist environment and am deeply familiar with all the core arguments and misinterpretations. Still Christian (Orthodox now). My priest has preached more than one homily on the idolatry of nationalism and the perils of Christian nationalism in America in particular.
Tim Alberta's recent book "The Kingdom, The Power, and the Glory" is a good and unsettling read on the subject.
Vector A
Ha, whaddya know, one of TranceAddict's own did the fundie-to-Orthodox shuffle that seems to have become a big thing lately.
camshaft
Ha, is that really a thing? I converted about 5 years ago (had been a mainline non-denominational/Evangelical for a while after my fundie days). Some of the online stuff veers a bit "orthotrad" for me so I try to avoid a lot of it.
Oh yeah, that name is familiar. I remember reading about a few high-profile conversions that had happened in the 80s and 90s too. Most people thought I was turning Catholic or Russian or something so it's cool people know what it is here.
Mattsanity
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Originally posted by camshaft
Absolutely not. Many were deists at best; if some were Christian they certainly didn't want a theocracy. Jefferson having his own version of the Bible with all the actual Christian belief taken out of it is a good example.
Christian nationalism has been rightfully condemned as a heresy in much of Christian orthodoxy going back thousands of years. When Christ said "my kingdom is not of this world" He meant it. Or look at when Paul says in Galatians "there is neither Jew nor Greek" as the new identity is in Christ, not national origin.
Source: grew up in a conservative Christian nationalist environment and am deeply familiar with all the core arguments and misinterpretations. Still Christian (Orthodox now). My priest has preached more than one homily on the idolatry of nationalism and the perils of Christian nationalism in America in particular.
Tim Alberta's recent book "The Kingdom, The Power, and the Glory" is a good and unsettling read on the subject.
Thanks for speaking the unbiased truth. The lady in this video at 1:55 must've had different, less reliable sources.
JEO
Does Trump appointing people like RFK Jr. as Secretary of Health, etc. have any actual consequences? And Musk in Department of Government Efficiency ("DOGE")...? Wish I knew enough English words to express just how surreal it looks.
ziptnf
To me, it just looks like 4 years of mess and ineptitude and hopefully provided that Trump doesn't abolish the institution of voting by 2028 then we can just vote for the next guy to spend half his term cleaning it all up. Rinse and ing repeat in this retarded ass country :rolleyes:
SYSTEM-J
My favourite appointment has been the Secretary Of Defence. The US spends $900billion a year on defence and he's given the job to a Fox News presenter because he was once a grunt in Afghanistan.
Silky Johnson
It's like a group of toddlers doing pretend play. "Let's play government!"
Vector A
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Originally posted by JEO
Does Trump appointing people like RFK Jr. as Secretary of Health, etc. have any actual consequences? And Musk in Department of Government Efficiency ("DOGE")...? Wish I knew enough English words to express just how surreal it looks.
It could have real consequences depending on how long they last in their roles, but based on the precedent of his previous time in office, I'm guessing his new administration will be a chaos of rapid staff changes that prevent them from damaging anything too permanently.
Swamper
I think us c0r wh0res would make for a functional cabinet
I dunno if I'd want to be President though - I'm not a fan of golf and I limit my McDonalds consumption to once a month maximum
