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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
The arms race like everything else (drugs, tattoos are other solid examples) are a 'too each their own" philosophy. Personally I take pride in knowing my country doesn't blow 80 Billion dollars (which is just the size of the U.S increase THIS YEAR!?!) on guns. I don't really think military spending is necessary because we border with Rambo. Have an army, call them peacekeepers and rock on. I love the Canada with no guns. All we are saying is give peace a chance. |
You're right.
I'm not for spending an obsurd amount of money either.
You can't expect compare any country against the budget of the United States. They have capital and budget to do that.
But what I am opposed to is absolutely no military; it's shameful that a country such as ours, with years of being a peacemaker can't back that up when counts.
There's only so much piggy backing we can do with the States and personally, we shouldn't have to.
There are situations in this world where other countries in need ASK for our help and we can't properly provide.
So it's not that we need military at home so much as we need a peacekeeping military to help others; what we're so famous for.
We should be able to keep to our obligations to others, there's no excuse for years of neglect. :sadgreen: |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
yep (and just to clafiry I hope you're dead too) ;) |
Wow, that's a very insightful comment man. Your IQ must be over 190!
What's the matter? Are you a Yank living in Canada or one of those traitorous Canadians who thinks we should just become the 51st State?
The TRUTH really does hurt doesn't it, you American-loving idiot?
As for Canada's military, it used to be one of the best fighting forces in the world in WW1, WW2 and Korea. Since then, it has just deteriorated into the mess it is now. Don't just blame Chretien and the Liberals. Mulroney did nothing to boost military spending at all. All he did was invoke the GST and sign the FTA and NAFTA. |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
There are situations in this world where other countries in need ASK for our help and we can't properly provide.
So it's not that we need military at home so much as we need a peacekeeping military to help others; what we're so famous for.
We should be able to keep to our obligations to others, there's no excuse for years of neglect. :sadgreen: |
Dude, did I not start off my reply in explaining too each their own. Of course I understand your point, and just because you type a little blurb on your personal feelings doesn't mean I'm gonna change my opinion. But since you're so adamante about debating this....
(-) When other countries needs out help, who are you to justfiy which country gets that help and which doesn't?? Should we just go running to every single country that asks, even if some of those countries have openly committed war crimes? What about the U.N? Isn't that there job? Whaddaya think? |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Wow, that's a very insightful comment man. Your IQ must be over 190!
What's the matter? Are you a Yank living in Canada or one of those traitorous Canadians who thinks we should just become the 51st State?
The TRUTH really does hurt doesn't it, you American-loving idiot?
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hahahhah What the ? hahahahha
First of all I was agreeing with your comment about China, I thought I quotted you, guess I forgot after all. :rolleyes: Then your little stint about me being a 'Yank living in Canada' is just in gay. I thought I put a little tongue happy face after the "I hope you die comment"?? Why do I even bother honestly? I'm so fedup of the ignorance on this board. I was making a crack about what you said, IE: "I hope I'm dead by then". Now that's insight. Please take the time to explain how you established the fact that I'm an "American-loving idiot". I'd love to hear your rebutal, please. Nothing would please me more than to see this brilliant piece of work. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
Dude, did I not start off my reply in explaining too each their own. Of course I understand your point, and just because you type a little blurb on your personal feelings doesn't mean I'm gonna change my opinion. But since you're so adamante about debating this....
(-) When other countries needs out help, who are you to justfiy which country gets that help and which doesn't?? Should we just go running to every single country that asks, even if some of those countries have openly committed war crimes? What about the U.N? Isn't that there job? Whaddaya think? |
Well that's easy.
Part of being a democratic G7 country is that there are certain obligations (as mentioned above) in helping developing countries (or others) try and turn their situations around.
Not every country has the resources we (G7) have.
Of course, we aren't going to just going to walk into any country that asks; there is a process and you have already alluded to it; the UN. (check mark for you :toothless)
Canada has multiple roles in this world.
We've never been a country to just watch things happen or turn down a request for assistance; and I don't think we should start.
Having a military isn't nessecarily the big evil monster it's made out to be here or being suggested.
Lets stop thinking about what a military means to us and think about how it can assist others in time of need (through the proper channels of course). |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Well that's easy.
We've never been a country to just watch things happen or turn down a request for assistance; and I don't think we should start. |
Are you really that naive? Do you really think we rush out to solve all of the worlds issues whenever they demand it. Canada like every other country picks and chooses its causes. And since when does being G7 equate being more helpful. lol I have many friends who would argue it's the other way around.
There are countless wars being fought at this moment (in the hundreds) and most are not justfiable causes, in which case yea we should be helping someone out somewhere. So why aren't we? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
Are you really that naive? |
No.
| quote: | | Do you really think we rush out to solve all of the worlds issues whenever they demand it. Canada like every other country picks and chooses its causes. |
It's not about choice as much as obligations.
Let's enlighten shall we?
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Objectives
Article 1
The objectives of the World Federation of United Nations Associations are
(a) To be a peoples' movement for the United Nations;
(b) To co-ordinate and further the activities of its Members and to promote the establishment of new United Nations Associations;
(c) To co-operate, where appropriate, with other organizations whose objects include the support of the United Nations and its development;
(d) To promote tolerance, understanding, solidarity and co-operation among men, women and children throughout the world without distinction as to race, sex, language, religion or political orientation;
(e) To contribute to the removal of obstacles to peace, to work for justice, security and disarmament, and to promote the development of peaceful co-existence and co-operation among nations;
(f) To strive for the recognition of and respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms throughout the world and for the recognition of the responsibilities and duties which those rights involve for individuals, groups and States;
(g) To promote economic development, enhancement of social progress and better standards of life;
(h) To promote research, information and education about the goals of the Charter of the United Nations and the work of the United Nations system.
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Now where exactly in there did we see 'pick and choose' because we feel like it?
Hell, if I had the choice to do or not do my laundry or wash my dishes, I would, but it's not about choice all the time.
Sometimes we have responsibilities...
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And since when does being G7 equate being more helpful. lol I have many friends who would argue it's the other way around.
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Responsibility yet again; Canada is the chair this year...(actually known as the G8- Group of 8 - because of the European Union)
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The seven largest industrialized democracies - the United States, Germany, Japan, Canada, Great Britain, France and Italy - began meeting informally in 1975 in response to the oil crisis, and formal summits began in Tokyo in 1986. In addition to being the most powerful economies, the G7 governments are also the leading sponsors of the world's dominant multilateral institutions such as the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, NATO and others.
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There are countless wars being fought at this moment (in the hundreds) and most are not justfiable causes, in which case yea we should be helping someone out somewhere. So why aren't we? |
Canada is in several countries (I can't find a list right now but I'm sure it exists) keeping the peace.
Sometimes it's a matter of resources, even for us.
That's why we rotate with other countries in doing the peace keeping.
You're right, sometimes it doesn't seem justifiable, but sometimes we aren't there for the local politcal agenda as much as being there just to keep some basic human rights in check. |
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| halo20 |
The fact that you would post UN dogma answers my first question, yes you are naive.
The framework for the UN means dick. Haven't you been following the news? FACT: The UN is the U.S.A's lapdog, the day you figure that out is the day we start reasoning here.
Dude, you're confusing the argument. I love Canada, and it does a great job of peacekeeping, YES! I AGREE WITH YOU! But the politics are much more complicated than you think. I can't spend my whole night explaining 'engagements of war', just please accept the fact that just because we are in UN we are not the all mighty world security guard and neither is it. Should we increase military spending? Probably. I just said it would be cool if we didn't have to, it. Let's be peaceful on our own, let's prove our pacifist nature by actually adopting that ideology and using it in that context.
So you've managed to define for me what G8 means. Wooo hoo. How does that change my opinion about military spending. Again, can I not have my own opinion. I don't get it. This board is so hardcore about forcing it's opinion on someone else. |
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| TheDemon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Wow, that's a very insightful comment man. Your IQ must be over 190!
What's the matter? Are you a Yank living in Canada or one of those traitorous Canadians who thinks we should just become the 51st State?
The TRUTH really does hurt doesn't it, you American-loving idiot?
As for Canada's military, it used to be one of the best fighting forces in the world in WW1, WW2 and Korea. Since then, it has just deteriorated into the mess it is now. Don't just blame Chretien and the Liberals. Mulroney did nothing to boost military spending at all. All he did was invoke the GST and sign the FTA and NAFTA. |
dont be surprised he posted that comment. he called me an idiot for no reason. he's iq 190, nah man. but iam pretty sure thats his waste size. muahahhahaahhhaha |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheDemon
he called me an idiot for no reason |
ahem...
| quote: | Originally posted by TheDemon
Power to the Jihads. |
I believe that is why I called you an idiot, myself and half the board. Thanks for coming out bud. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
Um....yes, my waste line is 190? That would put me at about 2000lbs!!
Actually I'm a 33 waste if you REALLY must know..oh AND I'm 5'10 with brown hair and green eyes. !
Now, HALO....by you saying "I hope you're dead too".....well that reads as an insult, no matter how sarcastic it was with that stupid smile at the end.
And you idiots can say what you want...all of what I said is true. Who are you guys going to vote for? Ernie Eves provincially and Stephen Harper of the idiotic yank sucking Alliance? Just to increase military spending....meanwhile letting all our valued and worthy programs like medicare the CPP and EI go to ?
It's a good thing the Libs, for all their ups, are still in power and will continue to be under Martin or, better yet, Allan Rock. |
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