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Man I am sooo tired of seeing this on TV.... (pg. 3)
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| mot10n |
to me, those commercials are seen as a waste of time, because even though your donation of a dollar a day can save one life, 100 more will not be saved. so what's the point? (that's harsh, but that's probably how it is with a lot of people.) if i was in their situation, i would sure as hell be thinking differently, but i'm not. call me spoiled by my society and technology and health. i totally agree that something should be done, but it's like the david vs goliath thing, the people wanting to help being david, and the people not, goliath. one person can make a difference, but on such a small level, it's hard to be seen.
i agree with the stance that we should focus on what's going on here first, and the greater powers focus on the larger problems, since they are the only ones large enough to tackle it. y'get? |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by mot10n
because, people are easily succeptible to emotional scenes; kids stranded in floods, flies covering babies, that kind of deal. that's when people call the organization up to donate. people are gullible. |
I agree, hence the foudnations make a profit from teh donations and give the few pennies of change left from teh original amount to the kids |
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| Durafei |
| How can you guys be so cynical? This may not be your nature, but some people out there are actually willing to help others without a profit for themselves. And believe it or not, some people who are sending donations are very happy about that. E*Master, have you ever done something that made you feel like you've made a difference in this world? Well, I'll tell you what, send them $30(you have money to go to Miami to WMC, don't tell me you don't have $30 to spare) and receive a picture of a kid you'll be saving. Trust me, that could be on the of the happiest moments of your young life. Unless of course, you'll be cynical enough to think that it's all bull, and all your money has gone somewhere else. |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
How can you guys be so cynical? This may not be your nature, but some people out there are actually willing to help others without a profit for themselves. And believe it or not, some people who are sending donations are very happy about that. E*Master, have you ever done something that made you feel like you've made a difference in this world? Well, I'll tell you what, send them $30(you have money to go to Miami to WMC, don't tell me you don't have $30 to spare) and receive a picture of a kid you'll be saving. Trust me, that could be on the of the happiest moments of your young life. Unless of course, you'll be cynical enough to think that it's all bull, and all your money has gone somewhere else. |
first of al I don't think I am going to Miami anymore, second of all, yes I have done something that has made me feel good. Every year I donate 30-45 bucks at christmas time, as well as donate my old clothes and when I was younger my old toys to the Salvation Army. I know that at least for sure that my old toys, donations go to the Salvation Army who help the people IN MY COMMUNITY and when I have the money left over after seeing some damn changes here then I will donate to the ones overseas. I donate to the Hospital to sic kids at least once a year when I see them. The one's I DO NOT DONATE TO are organization that ask me for fixed donations cause that means they only want a certain denomination otherwise it is useless to the.
Cynical? Yes, ther is ppl who still do things out of the courtesy and love of their own heart. But serisouly, how do they pay the actors? How do they pay the crew to go down there? How do they pay for their 2 minute airtime (which is really expensive)? tell that? Don;t tell me that does not partially come out of the donations that you would send. As bad as it sounds but I beleive no one works for free, not when it involes the media or television.
Cynical? dude have u watched the news lately? Have u been reading up? Everyone in higher power IS corrupt. You tell me one powerful organization that is not because they are. I have lived in Canada long enough I have seen it go from the best place on earth to what it is now. Cynical? I agree am a bit cynical but that is from what I have seen. I try not to be but you know what? Facts show different. But we can get into the cynical discussion some other time :D |
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| failsafe |
I think what you're totally missing here is the value of human life. No one will argue that Canada doesn't have poverty, or needy people. It's the scope of the poverty that is so different. In Africa they have a famine and ten thousand people die in a week. In Canada we have a very cold snap and ten homeless people die on the streets. Are those ten thousand people in africa worth less then the ten Canadians? In my eyes a person is a person. Don't fool yourself and rant on about how the homeless are "our problem". Do you think they pay taxes, or contribute to Canadian society in any way? I assure you they don't. Much the same as the people in Africa don't contribute to Canadian society. What you're totally blind to is the fact that sending grain over to Africa for free actually helps Canada. I know this is going to be a near impossible concept for you to fathom, but I'll try to explain.
Our farmers grow the grain.
We grow so much every year as to have a massive surplus
The international demand doesn't always want our surplus
Canada really can't compete with international grain prices
Our government buys the surplus grain
Our government gives this grain to the needy around the world
Our farmers get the money
Our farmers inject that same money back into society
Our government gains tax on everything they buy
Our government gains tax on them at the end of the year
So for example let's say farmer McDonald gets a $15,000 for his surplus. This will be the disposable part of his income now. He spends that and gets taxed on it. Right off the bat the government gets a $2250 (15% of the origional sum) return on their investment. That farmer then gets taxed at the end of the year. Lets assme he gets 40% of his net income in tax. Lets take 40% of that $15000 now.
Holy crap we get $6000 back.
Let's review.
The government spends $15000
We get $8250 back right off the back.
Great deal right?
It gets better. This part might be even more difficult to understand. Now all the while that this farmer is spending his money he's supporting other peoples jobs. He's buying a new shirt, he's buying a burger, he's buying new tires for his tractor. He's supporting other canadian industries. He's keeping Canadians employed. Guess what? All of the sudden he's keeping canadains off the street. Wow, talk about killing two birds with one stone eh?
Sometimes it pays to be a nice guy.
Anyway I'm sure i'll get flamed here so flame away gents. |
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| E*Master |
| Well no flaming from me. I do agree a lot of homeless ppl that are on our streets (especially teens) don't want to work. But a great number do but the governemtn gives them not a chance to get a job cause they have no ID or fixed address. Could the Guv/private sector perhaps offer that? Maybe but we live in a world of greed so who knows. Anyhow I already explained this a few lines up :D |
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| TheDemon |
| The people who are needy in the city of toronto are mostly in this position by their own choice. You want to help these people in the shelters? then direct them to the nearest McDonlads or Burger King and tell them to get a job. cause most of the people in our city are homeless and poor based on their own actions. How many times have I heard people tell them go get a damn job and that way you're not going to live in poverty anymore? many times. Hell I've even told them. Now as for the people in africa or other third wolrd coutnries they're poor because of force. Most people who begin families there know that either way they're are going to be in a state of poverty. Lack of jobs, health, education, technology force alot of these people to poverty. Here is different, we have all that stuff, so there should be no reason why there are people in Canada who are poor and facing poverty. So what does this mean? on a scale of 1 to 10 the ammount of help that toronto poverty deserves is like a 2 while third world countries are like a 11 on the scale cause their cases are increasing rapidly all the time. As for actors on these charity shows well lets see...Jerry lewis has helped raise millions of dollars for his charity and he does it volunteerly. other actors and athletes have been volunteerly helping organizations all over the world to help out the need. wayne gretzky, Arnold schwarzenneger, Princess Dianna, Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Steven spielberg, Michael Jordon and many others have spent their free time volunteerly help. I think that actors can till the difference that there are times when money is not the issue for them. but rather the issue to help others. |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheDemon
As for actors on these charity shows well lets see...Jerry lewis has helped raise millions of dollars for his charity and he does it volunteerly. other actors and athletes have been volunteerly helping organizations all over the world to help out the need. wayne gretzky, Arnold schwarzenneger, Princess Dianna, Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Steven spielberg, Michael Jordon and many others have spent their free time volunteerly help. I think that actors can till the difference that there are times when money is not the issue for them. but rather the issue to help others. |
*cough cough* PR *cough cough* |
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| TheDemon |
| quote: | Originally posted by E*Master
*cough cough* PR *cough cough* |
Sorry dude, don't get it:conf: |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheDemon
Sorry dude, don't get it:conf: |
PR = public Relations. Meaning they do this for the sake of their image to remind the public what kind of ppl thye are. In most cases they do this so that ppl don't forget about them. they need to be in the news all the time. Simular to publicity stunts. |
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| failsafe |
Yah! There's NO WAY anyone famous could possibly be a good person. It's all about "PR" and making money? Do you HONESTLY think jerry lewis did it all to have his telethon on tv once a year? I just don't see that happening. So many of these "stars" would do anything to get out of the paparazzi lime-light. I'd agree that some have shallow intentions, but I imagine you'd be surprised how many actually do care.
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
Yah! There's NO WAY anyone famous could possibly be a good person. It's all about "PR" and making money? Do you HONESTLY think jerry lewis did it all to have his telethon on tv once a year? I just don't see that happening. So many of these "stars" would do anything to get out of the paparazzi lime-light. I'd agree that some have shallow intentions, but I imagine you'd be surprised how many actually do care.
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Yes I would be. Thing is. Ok I should have excluded jerry lewis but as far as the others go I think they still do it for PR. Get out of the spotlight? lol they can't they know they can't or else tehyw ould have to move out of their multimillion dollar homes, give up all their luxuries, and get a decent job liek the rest of us and live like normal ppl. they can't do that, they can't get their hands dirty because once u ar eused to luxury it is hard to go back to normal living (if there is still such a thing). This world is more corrupt than u think. Money and power make ppl change even if they don't want to. Greed wins them over and they can never get enough. |
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