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Moon Landings (pg. 2)
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| extulas |
| I still cant honestly believe we landed on the moon. I'm sorry but I can't. As much as anyone try's to teach me how, I just cant believe it :mad: :) :( |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Which part exactly can you not believe in? |
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| extulas |
| The whole thing. What is their in space we need? What can we do with space? What is space? is their space? What can we benifit from being in space? I dont see a need for space so therefore I dont believe in it. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | | The whole thing. What is their in space we need? What can we do with space? What is space? is their space? What can we benifit from being in space? I dont see a need for space so therefore I dont believe in it. |
You amaze me.
a) Things wee need from space:
1. Raw materials (minerals, iron,...) of which earth is slowly becoming depleted
2. Living space, place for expansion
3. Knowledge about the world around us
b) We can colonize it, make research colonies in it, import raw materials from it,...We are currently consuming more matterials than the earth is able to supply. The only reason we still can get them is that they were around in abundance. But they are not anymore. Hundreds of years ago, coal was laying on the earth surface thruought the europe, and now mines for digging it are kilometers deep. At the current rate of usage, we will use all useful raw materials in few hundred years. And when that happens, we can go back to hunting zebras in african savannah for a million or so years, when things come back in their place again.
c) Space, on a solar system scale, is basically emptiness filled with asteroids and few planets. If you are more interested, I can elaborate that, and space on a wider scale as well.
d) Truly, you don't need more than elementary school knowledge to know if there really is space. What else is there then? Earth must be floating in something, right? And if you really don't believe in it, get some money and pay russians to take you on a space tour, or wait 10 years, until it becomes more available.
Or you believe that all is a hoax too? And all the space probes as well. Ask yourself how does satellite TV work then? Or, better yet, where are those satellites.
To ask yourself a question is there space, is almost like asking oneself is the earth round.
Sorry if you feel assaulted, but there's so much obvious evidence that there is space that it's crystal clear. If you don't believe that, tell me and I'll start listing it for you.
e) We can gain much scientific knowledge, improving our everyday life, human race can expand beyond earth boundaries. Just remember what a big positive change was discovering the New world (America). If there weren't explorational ideas at that time, you wouldn't be sitting in Connecticut, you'd be sitting somewhere in Africa.
f) Ok, if you really ment what you said in the last sentence, I don't know what to say to you. I don't like the fact that I took a part in a car accident, crashed my car, and on top of it all, it's my fault, so I'm gonna have to pay for damage, but it's not gonna go away if I say that I don't believe in it. Reality is not what you believe in. What you said is like ostriches sticking their heads in the sand to avoid danger. They don't see it, so danger isn't there. Until they get eaten by the predator, at which time it's too late. |
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| occrider |
| I agree with drug tito ... are you for real? Saying you don't care or believe about space is like saying you don't care or believe about what's happening outside of your city. |
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| extulas |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
You amaze me.
e) We can gain much scientific knowledge, improving our everyday life, human race can expand beyond earth boundaries. Just remember what a big positive change was discovering the New world (America). If there weren't explorational ideas at that time, you wouldn't be sitting in Connecticut, you'd be sitting somewhere in Africa.
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Id be sitting somewhere in Germany.:p ;) But you have stated some very nice facts, But I still dont believe it. If god hasnt put us in space, We have no buisness their. God wont let us run out of Materials, Only Liberals say that because their so intune with the earth and "mother nature":rolleyes: What world is around us? And why do we need more room to expan? Living Space?! Why would you want to live in "space"? What would be the point? What are they trying to prove everytime they "send the shuttle into orbit"? As far as I am concerned, I have always been told by my parents that space is a mind trick. Used by school's to give something to teach kid's about. My father work's for the U.S Government and he totally denies space. And many other people who he works with deny it to. It is nice to think about, What is up their, If their is anything. From what I hear about people who do believe in space. If I dont see it with my own eyes, Im sorry but I just cant believe it. :disbelief |
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| Arbiter |
I'm sorry extulas, I mean no disrespect. But there is so much wrong with what you have just said, I can scarcely begin to construct a response. I still hold out hope that you are merely joking.
| quote: | Originally posted by extulas
If god hasnt put us in space, We have no buisness their. |
Assuming the existence of God, which is an awfully big assumption, if he created us, and we created technology to get us into space, then by providing us with the ingenuity and desire to go to space, he has essentially put us into space.
| quote: | Originally posted by extulas
God wont let us run out of Materials, Only Liberals say that because their so intune with the earth and "mother nature" |
I really don't see what makes you think the same God who let us kill tens of millions of each other during and directly following World War II, who has overseen our complete eradication of thousands of our planets species, and who made it possible for us to build nuclear weapons will suddenly and inexplicably decide to create some miraculous intervention to prevent us from consuming the limited resources of our planet. That is, assuming you believe that World War II really happened, that we have made species extinct, and that nuclear weapons exist.
| quote: | Originally posted by extulas
And why do we need more room to expan? |
I'm sorry, I am not allowed to tell you that. But here's a hint: It might have something to do with overpopulation.
| quote: | Originally posted by extulas
My father work's for the U.S Government and he totally denies space. And many other people who he works with deny it to. |
I think I just figured out what's wrong with the U.S. Government.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think those little points of light in the sky at night are, if not stars in space? And where are the sun and the moon? Just in the sky or something? Or maybe they don't exist, and are just hallucinations. You do see them too, right? It's not just the rest of us, I hope.
I have a piece of advice to you. Don't listen to anything you parents tell you ever again. It could potentially help you immensely.
Regards,
Arbiter |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Just out of curiosity, what do you think those little points of light in the sky at night are, if not stars in space? |
Well potentially theres an infinite amount of answers to that :D But yeah...Why should they call my university after Johannes Kepler if all of that's bull?
estulas: What do you really believe then? Have you ever wondered if 2+2 is REALLY 4? Might be just a sadistical creation to harass us in school, too...:rolleyes: |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | | If god hasnt put us in space, We have no buisness their. |
From what I know of the bible, when he chased people out of garden of eden, he basically said now you're on your own. And we are on our own. So we might as well try to get the best out of it.
| quote: | | God wont let us run out of Materials |
Oh, so god is continuously pumping up raw materials into the earth?
How come its gravity is equal all the time?
Besides, look at what happened to people of Easter islands.
They had forests, chopped down trees, made tools using those trees, even erected huge statues with the help of tree trunks.
But, they were cutting trees too much, and in the end, they cut down the last tree, lost all their tools, and returned to such a primitive state, that everybody is wondering how they managed to erect those statues in the first place. They managed it because they had something to do it with.
If we restrain from space, we might end up like they did.
| quote: | | What are they trying to prove everytime they "send the shuttle into orbit"? |
They are not sending shuttle into orbit just for sake of sending shuttles into orbit.
They are doing it for many reasons. Basically it's
1. To put sattelites into orbit
2. To do research that could not have been done on earth
Why do we need sattelites? What's better, to build thousands of transmitting/recieving stations or to build one sattelite and send it to orbit?
The second thing is much cheaper.
Now, here's some proof for existence of space even you can measure (unless of course, the measuring devices are made to fool you)
1. Go to a high mountain or go flying high. You can see that the air is thinner there, since it's harder for you to breathe (of course, someone may have put poison in the higher levels of atmosphere that is making you breathe harder)
2. Get a precise device to measure gravity. It's weaker when you're in a plane then when you are on the ground.
From the first point, the conclusion is that the atmosphere is growing thinner all the time untill it eventually dissappears.
From the second one, you can calculate the exact speed with which you can throw an object from earth, so that it never returns again. (10th grade physics here, I can tell you all the equations needed for it if you don't believe me, and I can assure you that they're correct).
First, if the object flies away that it never returns, where do you think it'll go?
Second, find some information about space rockets, and you'll see that they have enough thrust to overcome that limiting speed, even including the atmosphere slowing them down.
You can measure Earth diameter also. Look at your shadow at noon, and then go to florida, and look at it there. It's shorter than where you are now. Measure them, and with some basic trigonometry, you can get the earth radius (been done in ancient greece with surprising accuracy). Now, knowing the earth radius, and those shadows, you can get the distance between the earth and the sun, also using some trigonometry (unless you believe trigonometry is also a mind trick).
By knowing moon periods of rotation, you can get its size and distance and mass as well. Newton did that. You can also confirm that with evidence from tidal effects.
To get the distance of other planets (which most of you can see with your bare eyes), if you spend few years looking at their orbits, you can measure their distance from the sun as well.
If you don't believe that planets exist, take a telescope, you can buy a sufficient one for 120$ or so, and look at the closer ones. They appear just like on the NASA photos. And what do you think is between those planets? Air? If there would be any matter, they'd be fiery balls going through the sky and soon they'd all fall down on the sun because of friction.
If they were just random dots in the sky, they wouldn't behave exactly as predicted by gravitational laws which are effective on earth.
You know, my grandmother had a neighbour who thought earth is flat (because, look down, we're standing on a flat floor!), america is smaller than croatia (because maps of croatia and america are about equal in size), airplanes are propelled by god (because how else could they be flying while being so heavy), sun is rotating around the earth (because, look, I'm standing still, and the earth is not moving relative to me, but the sun is!)
Anyway, I think you should go and read high school physics. But not just read those books, try to understand them and try to make up experiments of your own which will prove or dissaprove those theories and formulas. Then you'll see that it all fits into place. |
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| extulas |
Time gravity friction ect, Is all science, We are made to believe in it because it makes sense. Unfortunatly I am forced to believe in time due to society. If you went to a society in lets say, Africa, Or some place where its only a tribe, Amazon or whatever, If you tried to talk to them about time, They would think your nuts. (Is their still any tribes out their that dont use anything?) Look at the Amish for example. My grandparents use to live 45 minutes away from Lancaster PA, And I was talking to a amish kid who is now 19-20 (I talked to him when he was 17 2 summers ago) and he left the amish people (I guess when you turn 16 they give you a week to decide if you want to stay amish or not) And they dont believe in space, They dont believe in science, They dont believe in anything but god and what god gave them, Their land, Their house, Their families, ect. And yes, God is pumping more materials into the earth. How cant he? He can do whatever he wants. What kind of research do we need? If its not on earth, We dont need it. And also, if their was space, Their supposably is no air in space, So why isnt all of our air going into space? And I refuse to read any science book, Its evil, Science is playing God.
The only reason you have such snappy comebacks is because you have been manipulated by a government (depending on where you live) or school (usually ran by the government) to believe it.
(No offense) |
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| TranceGiant |
| Holy you're really not kidding :nervous: |
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