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| yonih |
my dream was always to mix in clubs and so in the end of the summer i bought a djm600(pioneer) and 2x cdj100(pioneer). from the day i bought the mixer until today i practice 4 times a weak for about 2 hours each time. i've tried so many times but it just doesnt mix!. i've tried the "auto bpm" function on the mixer and suddenly i got a hang of it for a week perfectly and then i just lost it. so lets just say that i suck if i'm trying to mix already for 4 monthes and nothing works.the question i want to ask is if until now it didnt work so i should probebly give up my dream and try to sell it or should i keep on trying to practice?
the truth is that i am really pissed of from it now
but i know that if i sell it i'll be even more pissed after like smoking a cigaret.
(i forgot to mention that i try to mix hard trance and trance) |
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| JohnSmith |
I say just keep trying man, you will get it. Disregard that auto BPM stuff.
get two songs that you know are the same BPM or close, and match them.
how can you get two the same BPM? well, you could use the beat counter on your mixer i guess, or, software to find some that are the same. OR, even better, take a CD of yours, and burn a copy, then play both copies of the song together.
mess around with the pitch and jog wheel, and get a feel for it. then maybe you will be able to mix them?
just a suggestion, i hope it works out for you! |
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| Mister_Michel |
| quote: | Originally posted by yonih
my dream was always to mix in clubs and so in the end of the summer i bought a djm600(pioneer) and 2x cdj100(pioneer). from the day i bought the mixer until today i practice 4 times a weak for about 2 hours each time. i've tried so many times but it just doesnt mix!. i've tried the "auto bpm" function on the mixer and suddenly i got a hang of it for a week perfectly and then i just lost it. so lets just say that i suck if i'm trying to mix already for 4 monthes and nothing works.the question i want to ask is if until now it didnt work so i should probebly give up my dream and try to sell it or should i keep on trying to practice?
the truth is that i am really pissed of from it now
but i know that if i sell it i'll be even more pissed after like smoking a cigaret.
(i forgot to mention that i try to mix hard trance and trance) |
Well, I am planning on buying gear soon, I really hope that I will get the hang of it sooner than 4 months, because I just know that I don't have the patience to continue for that long without feeling/hearing results. Good luck man. |
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| Ekstasis |
Yeah man, give it some time. You dont expect to learn how to play an instrument and get a spot in an orchestra in a summer do you. I gave my self 4 years before I go back to school and try something else. I have been working seriously at mixing for about a year now, and am just starting to get confident to want to play out. I have also jsut started getting some offers now I'm lookign for them.
Just dont expect something to happen over night. An dont try to force it. If you get frustrated, back off for a bit. I mix for if I'm in a bad mood, or not having fun doing it. |
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| Blake613 |
When you get frustrated walk away and come back to your decks an hour later. It takes time. I'm a year into it and I am still learning the finer points of beatmatching (specifically correcting while in a transition).
Don't give up! It will come with time! |
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| yonih |
thanks all of you who replyed.
i hope i could keep on getting mad and trying before i throw it out of the window and than i'll really know that i gave up.
so thanks anyway for all of your support i needed it. |
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| Dj Flesch |
I have the same setup that you do, so I know that it's not the equipment that is lacking (no offense intended). But I've been working at djing for almost three years and I'm just at the point now when I am really confident of my skills. I'm going to be playing out in a couple of months at a rave and I feel much more confident about it than my first time (which was about a year and a half ago).
The most important thing to remember is that you are doing it for the love of the music (or at least that is why I am doing it). Create a story with your music, don't just play the next cd in your collection. Most importantly, listen to other djs, and listen to your own mixes. You can learn SO much just by listening to where you made mistakes and realizing what you have to correct. Do a search on here, look in the sticky, search the web for tips and tricks on how to dj. The web sites are ALL over the place. Keep reading this forum and you will learn stuff about djing that you never knew before. There is a lot of knowledge on this site and on the web. USE IT! Read about djing techniques, go to clubs or raves and watch the djs mix (some call this trainspotting). Use all of your abilities to learn how to become the best you can be.
Most of all, never loose your passion for the music that you spin. This is what carries me throughout those hard times when I think that I suck and will never make it. The music you spin is more important than the skill you have in mixing. This isn't always true, but for trance it is anyway. Do you think PVD or Oakenfold, Tiesto or Armin van Burren made it big because they are oh so great on the decks? They don't really do that much special, to be honest. It is all in the music that they choose to spin, and in what order they spin it in.
Just remember, it is a dj's job to bring the music to the people! It is your job to sort through the crap and spin the good stuff. Make sure it's good! |
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| DJ Arsalan |
IMO im pretty sure you seen some results, try listening to a mix that you did 3 monts a go and do a mix now and listen to it. Im pretty sure youll see the difference. I picked up on beatmatching in less then a month, the only reason it was so quick for me was because i played with beatmatching on the computer. Oh it was a pain in the ass, every transition i wanted to break my monitor :D.
What i did was, everytime i got really pissed and i didnt want to go on i just forgot about mixing and just play my music, listening to what goes together and tried a bit later. Make sure you don't lose your passion for the music and you turn into a mixing robot. and like flesch said it's how you read the crowd and the tracks you chose.
try to find someone that spins to give you a couple of pointers that helped me a lot.
I think you should keep going even if it takes you 10 years :d |
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| Spin Doctor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Flesch
Most of all, never loose your passion for the music that you spin. This is what carries me throughout those hard times when I think that I suck and will never make it. The music you spin is more important than the skill you have in mixing. This isn't always true, but for trance it is anyway. Do you think PVD or Oakenfold, Tiesto or Armin van Burren made it big because they are oh so great on the decks? They don't really do that much special, to be honest. It is all in the music that they choose to spin, and in what order they spin it in. |
Dj Flesch, I’ll shake your hand for the above paragraph. I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
If you’re spinning music to look cool then your doing it for the wrong reasons. Whenever I feel low in my DJ’ing ability I just back off for a while then listen to all the tunes that made me want to start DJ’ing the first place. After that I’m back on track in no time.
And finally yonih, the biggest piece of advice I can give to you apart from what DJ Flesch has already posted is practice, practice and practice. Eventually beat mixing will just “click” and you’ll wonder how you were'nt ever capable of it. Essentially, when you’ve got the knack of it becomes more than second nature, but first nature! |
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| DJ_Shockwav |
i agree with all of the advise given
give it time
it's going to take a while
it doens't happen overnight
learn to walk before you run
i've been doing this almost 2 years now and i learn new things every single time i turn on my decks
and yes there will come a point one day when you will get it and everything will "click"
then you take that skill and develop it further
record yourself every time you play and take a listen afterwards
pick it apart
find out what you liked and what you didn't like
then try and improve on what you didn't like
i listened to a mix i made when i just started
and i compare that to what i can do now
it's like night and day
then once you have the beatmatching down
there's other things to take a look at, but think about that when the time comes
just concentrate on learning to beatmatch |
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| DJ Charlie |
maybe your dream is just to be in the music business...
why don'T you try writting some songs |
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| Veldrid |
Here is my expierence... I have had my dex for about 4-5 months now. During the first month i practiced everyday for about an hour or 2. After that month, I practiced when i could, school and work really cut into that time. I felt as tho I was getting nowhere, but then I started to realize that I was beatmatching faster and more accuratly (although still not even close to where I should/want to be). Anyways my brother kept bugging me to spin for his party on New Years and I kept telling him no. I wasn't at all confident in my skill progression. I mean I could beatmatch the tracks usually but I was struggling with phrase matching. Well on New Years Eve I ended up drinking a bit to much and I losened up to the point where I threw on a few records. Before I knew it I was tearing it up. I losened up, stop caring about every little mess up, and I was just doing it for the music and fun. I did an awesome job I only had 2 bad transitions I think (that is good for me atm). I still can't believe the transitions i pulled off or the accuracy of my beat matching. Everyone at the party commented to me at the end.
All I can really say to you is don't give up cause I guarantee you are better then you think you are. Here is a something that really seemed to help me. I stopped telling myself "I need to go practice". I practice when I am in the mood, like after I hear some good hard trance. I spin for if I am not feeling the music. Sometimes I go throw some tunes on, do one transition and then i am out of the mood. Forcing yourself to practice isn't a good idea IMO.
OK, I am done ranting now. Hope it all makes sense. |
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