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| Maaz |
The clubbing scene started in France and the first electronic music group ever was created in Germany. Also, the biggest parties are in Europe (Love Parade, I love techno,...) and, I believe, electronic music is a lot more popular there than in the US. However, most genres were born in the United States: techno, house, breakbeat, hardcore (even though was a lot more popular in the Netherlands). How come? If electronic music had all that prejudice in the US (it was considered gay, hispanic and black music), how did it manage to become homeland of all these genres? What's the role of the European scene? Just developing genres (as Holland developed trance and hardcore and Germany developed techno till it became trance)? Why are some places more fertile than others?
I think this is a nice topic for a discussion :) |
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| mndeg |
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It's because MTV tells us to listen to pop/rap/rock (nu-metal)
so we do it. |
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| Maaz |
| ... and how come the scene developed so well in the US if you have this sort of problem with the media? It's just... weird :p |
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| BeatFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by mndeg
first reply
It's because MTV tells us to listen to pop/rap/rock (nu-metal)
so we do it. |
Hey mndeg, is your sig from an old Nintendo wrestling game? If so, I remember it. That guy does flips and stuff. |
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| fr0st |
| BT is from the USA and he helped trance a lot.. but he was first signed to a uk label.*coughs something about perfecto* |
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| trance[]control-fan |
| quote: | Originally posted by BeatFreak
Hey mndeg, is your sig from an old Nintendo wrestling game? If so, I remember it. That guy does flips and stuff. |
from pro wrestling...the name is starman..and what a game it was
http://www.vgmuseum.com/nes2.htm |
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| kirbtastic |
| quote: | Originally posted by mndeg
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It's because MTV tells us to listen to pop/rap/rock (nu-metal)
so we do it. |
do u ahve an original thought of your own, or is that your answer for everything ... what do u have against MTV .... every thread u post u blame MTV. MTV or any other type of TV does not make anyone do anything .. i grew up on road runner and coyote shows .. i never tried to drop and anvil on somebodies head .. its mindless idiots that blame the problems of the world on televsion programming. If anything MTV has brought many kids together through a common love of music .. im not saying that everything on the station is great .. but have u even seen some of the programming in the past couple of years .. MTV has done a lot to get young people to vote in this country .. MTV has been doing their part to keep young people informed .. the recent interview with colon powell was a terrific program .. and if u listened to the questions from young people all over the world, u would see that it is not a bunch of people looking to MTV to tell them what to think .. but very intelligent young men and women asking well thought out questions to help them come to their own conclusions.
i know this response had nothing to do with this thread and no i dont work for MTV.
and to answer this thread..wasnt disco started in the US ... i think thats the start of electronic music .. if it wasnt started here..america embraced it for a very long time and tried to make it ours |
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| beema |
yeah, it has always struck me as odd that House & Techno originated in the US, but they were never fully embraced over here. They had to be taken overseas and nurtured and embraced over there and they were changed and developed into other musical styles before they came back over here.
I have no freakin idea why. I guess European culture is just a lot more progressive in some ways. |
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| DJMaytag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
The clubbing scene started in France and the first electronic music group ever was created in Germany. Also, the biggest parties are in Europe (Love Parade, I love techno,...) and, I believe, electronic music is a lot more popular there than in the US. However, most genres were born in the United States: techno, house, breakbeat, hardcore (even though was a lot more popular in the Netherlands). How come? If electronic music had all that prejudice in the US (it was considered gay, hispanic and black music), how did it manage to become homeland of all these genres? What's the role of the European scene? Just developing genres (as Holland developed trance and hardcore and Germany developed techno till it became trance)? Why are some places more fertile than others?
I think this is a nice topic for a discussion :) |
I think the whole craze started with the chicago acid house craze of the mid 80's and the early Detroit techno of the late 80's, but from what I know, it wasn't too well received over here, mainly in part to a few key differences in culture that I think some have touched on but not really delved into.
MTV, like someone mentioned, isn't exactly the problem, but it's certainly converying a message about music that totally sux. Music over here in the past 15 years has been completely overproduced (short of the grunge movement) and is being so totally overpackaged that nobody really knew what to do with music with no vocals and all sorts of wierd noises (it just overall may be WAY more complex than anything else in pop culture.) Based on that it remained an underground thing for underage kids (most clubs in the US are 21 and up to get in) to listen to at raves. I think the whole drug scare at raves certainly made many be leery of the music and you're often judged over here if you listen to that sorta music, that you MUST do drugs (OK, many do, but that's besides the point...)
From what I know of European culture, they're not quite as set in their ways and are willing to try new things, something Americans seem to be hesitant to do. That's certainly a big help for having things expolde over there moreso than here (despite the efforts of the UK's Criminal Justice Bill...)
Why it's becoming big now is probably based largely in part due to Darude, DJ Sammy, trancepop/trance covers, and all sorts of cheesy uplifting trance that's a bit more palatable to the average joe over here (I'll let you decide if that's a good thing or not...) |
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| Maaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by kirbtastic
and to answer this thread..wasnt disco started in the US ... i think thats the start of electronic music .. if it wasnt started here..america embraced it for a very long time and tried to make it ours |
It started at the French discotheques, when the Nazi government forbid jazz bands to play live and they created these "underground" clubs where music would be played with gramophones and stuff (that's where the "disco" and "DJ" came from). Then, when it went to America and borrowed elements from several other elements, it became electronic, people found out that they could "mix" one tune into another and became officialy "disco" music the way we know it :)
| quote: | Originally posted by beema
yeah, it has always struck me as odd that House & Techno originated in the US, but they were never fully embraced over here. |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMaytag
I think the whole craze started with the chicago acid house craze of the mid 80's and the early Detroit techno of the late 80's, but from what I know, it wasn't too well received over here, mainly in part to a few key differences in culture that I think some have touched on but not really delved into. |
It wasn't well received, that's true. Once Moby said that, before he saw an English DJ spinning with his girlfriend by his side, he used to consider dance music something gay/hispanic/black also. It was "weird" for most people and had all this prejudice over it. And it amazes me that even with all these problems, so many different genres came out of the US.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMaytag
From what I know of European culture, they're not quite as set in their ways and are willing to try new things, something Americans seem to be hesitant to do. |
And that's what I don't understand: Holland, for example. Nothing new ever came out from it, except the gabber movement (keep in mind that hardcore was born in the US) and this current trance stuff (which was one of the exceptions, since it was born in Germany - but once again, it evolved from techno which is something American). |
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| DJMaytag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
Then, when it went to America and borrowed elements from several other elements, it became electronic, people found out that they could "mix" one tune into another and became officialy "disco" music the way we know it :)
And that's what I don't understand: Holland, for example. Nothing new ever came out from it, except the gabber movement (keep in mind that hardcore was born in the US) and this current trance stuff (which was one of the exceptions, since it was born in Germany - but once again, it evolved from techno which is something American). |
Hehe, both things may well have originated right here in Wisconsin. There have been some reports about on the longest running dance clubs in the US, The Cardinal Bar in Madison, having DJ's beatmatching tunes all the way back in the early to mid 70's. Also, the hardcore movement of the early 90's in Holland relied HEAVILY on Drop Bass sound coming outta this region between Milwaukee, Chicago, and Minneapolis. It was reported that like 80% of their production runs would be shipped to The Netherlands. |
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| mndeg |
| quote: | Originally posted by kirbtastic
do u ahve an original thought of your own, or is that your answer for everything ... what do u have against MTV .... every thread u post u blame MTV. MTV or any other type of TV does not make anyone do anything .. i grew up on road runner and coyote shows .. i never tried to drop and anvil on somebodies head .. its mindless idiots that blame the problems of the world on televsion programming. If anything MTV has brought many kids together through a common love of music .. im not saying that everything on the station is great .. but have u even seen some of the programming in the past couple of years .. MTV has done a lot to get young people to vote in this country .. MTV has been doing their part to keep young people informed .. the recent interview with colon powell was a terrific program .. and if u listened to the questions from young people all over the world, u would see that it is not a bunch of people looking to MTV to tell them what to think .. but very intelligent young men and women asking well thought out questions to help them come to their own conclusions.
i know this response had nothing to do with this thread and no i dont work for MTV.
and to answer this thread..wasnt disco started in the US ... i think thats the start of electronic music .. if it wasnt started here..america embraced it for a very long time and tried to make it ours |
what the hell? you probably don't know anybody that watches MTV/trl
look at mtv trying to stop discrimination against gays, and homophobes are about 80+% of america.
anyone that backs up mtv has problems |
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