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What the F#ck is N. Korea Doing? (pg. 5)
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_bastard
occrider, I agree with you about Stalin's politburo of 'yes men' but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We forged an alliance with Stalin after he'd purged millions of his own people. I also think it's difficult to make any comparisons between Stalin and Hussein that are much more than mere speculation. Before 1985 Western historians could only speculate about Stalin's intentions and had little idea of what was going on in Russia other than that which was contained in the Smolensk acrhives. They were also forced to make the naive assumption that what had happened in Smolensk was representative of the country as a whole. The sheer amount of contradictions floating around the media about Iraq suggests we don't know the full truth, we only know that it's very, very grim. Aside that point, from what we do know, they may share a few basic characteristics, but the situations are incomparable. |
The alliance forged between Stalin and western nations was one of necessity forged at a time of desperation against a common foe. Keep in mind that this alliance was never "solid". Distrust continued throughout WW2 and political maneuverings were going on before the war even ended. And of course nobody even knew about the Stalin purges until he was succeeded. I agree with your statements that its impossible to know the true nature of the iraqi government at this time though. From the outside perspective however it appears that he's cultivating a cult of personality most akin to that of hitler or stalin. |
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| Verona^My |
| quote: | Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
A U.S. nuclear review published in January indicated that following Sept. 11 the United States is keeping all its options open, including the possible development and testing of new nuclear weapons.
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oh god... stupid, why new nukes... makes no sense, then we shouldn't have gotten rid of the ones we had from before if we realized we are going to build more later. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| N. Korean knows that they don't stand a chance against the US. They are just trying to get the US to give them more economic aid and the best way they think that they can do that is to threaten us with Nukes. Yes, this is an issue, but Saddam and muslim extremist terrorists are a more immediate threat. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
N. Korean knows that they don't stand a chance against the US. They are just trying to get the US to give them more economic aid and the best way they think that they can do that is to threaten us with Nukes. Yes, this is an issue, but Saddam and muslim extremist terrorists are a more immediate threat. |
Lets assume you are right. Then do you believe the US should give NK more economic aid just because they are threatening them nukes?
What kind of precedent do you think this would set? |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Lets assume you are right. Then do you believe the US should give NK more economic aid just because they are threatening them nukes?
What kind of precedent do you think this would set? |
Hell NO we should not give them economic aid. I'm just trying to answer the original question as to why NKorea is doing this crap. I think we should attack NKorea as soon as we are done with Iraq/terrorists. |
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| KoreanDJ |
I am North Korean, and I am a communist! YOU FOOLS!
Stevek
(*wink wink*) |
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| mndeg |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Hell NO we should not give them economic aid. I'm just trying to answer the original question as to why NKorea is doing this crap. I think we should attack NKorea as soon as we are done with Iraq/terrorists. |
haha i smell 13-15 year old west coast |
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| DJ_Skaya |
| Why does everyone seem to want war? Do they think somehow the US economy will improve after war? I'm sorry to burst you're bubble, but this isn't the great depression, and starting a war will just put us further into the whole, not to mention needlessly kill lots of people. |
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| DJ_Skaya |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Yes, this is an issue, but Saddam and muslim extremist terrorists are a more immediate threat. |
We're in most respects the most powerful country in the world. Technically, we're an immediate threat to everyone. Are they starting war on us? :rolleyes:
I think you've listened to Bush too much, because obviously you consider Muslims and Iraqi's and Terrorists to be the same thing:rolleyes: |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Skaya
Why does everyone seem to want war? Do they think somehow the US economy will improve after war? I'm sorry to burst you're bubble, but this isn't the great depression, and starting a war will just put us further into the whole, not to mention needlessly kill lots of people. |
I want war so that every child born in Iraq will have the opportunity to grow up in a country where they are granted basic human rights, where they won't be killed for voicing their opinions, and where they'll have an opportunity to prosper economically and intellectually. Why does everyone seem to oppose giving them that opportunity? |
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| Dj_Irish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I want war so that every child born in Iraq will have the opportunity to grow up in a country where they are granted basic human rights, where they won't be killed for voicing their opinions, and where they'll have an opportunity to prosper economically and intellectually. Why does everyone seem to oppose giving them that opportunity? |
Why stop with Iraq though? Saudi Arabia has the same problems why not start a war there? I get the impression that you consider the U.S. (with it's current foreign policies) as a white knight riding around the world rescuing people from evil. How come the U.S. seem to ignore, and sometimes even support, regimes that in no way are any better than Saddam Hussein's? |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj_Irish
Why stop with Iraq though? Saudi Arabia has the same problems why not start a war there? I get the impression that you consider the U.S. (with it's current foreign policies) as a white knight riding around the world rescuing people from evil. How come the U.S. seem to ignore, and sometimes even support, regimes that in no way are any better than Saddam Hussein's? |
Gotta start somewhere. I don't think Iraq's the best choice, but it's better than doing nothing. I'd like to see the U.S. riding around the world rescuing people from evil. But what I'd really like to see is other countries doing it too, instead of just sitting on their hands acting like its not their problem that people are suffering. |
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