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Holland to the left: nice goin', guys!
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| Belgian Bonzai |
Socialist party in Holland from 23 to 42 seats in parliament.
'Extreme' right falls. YES!
Congratulations from (one citizen from)Belgium! |
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| TranceGiant |
| I saw a documentation about this Somalian 30 year old woman whos changed her party and candidated for the right liberals. I found her attitudes and ambition pretty impressive. |
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| arj1o1 |
just to make it clear:
left/social party PvdA has always been one of the greatest around 40 seats of 150, 4 years ago they had been 8 year in the coalitian with 2 other partys, this wasn't a very good coalitian and many voters has gone to the right to the upcoming Pim Fortuyn (who is ben killed, by somebody who doesn't understand democration!) and also to the christen democratic party the CDA. together with the liberal VVD, the CDA en the party that has been made by Pim Fortuyn, the LPF made a coalitian. But the party of dead Pim Fortuyn are chaotic without Pim Fortuyn and after 87 days the coalitian stopped and new elections will held.
Wouter bos, the new leader of the PvdA, has collected his 'lost' voters back and the people who first voted for LPF has gone to the other partys
my opninion: don't like PvdA or any left party, they're to soft in immigratian, netherlands is too busy (i'm no racist but the netherlands is full) and it's too bad a CDA-VVD coalitian cannot be formed |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| It is sad that extreme right has fallen because of an assassination of their leader. Basically, the guy who killed Pim Fortuyn got what he wanted. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| Socialist party gaining control huh? Sounds scarry. Best of luck to anyone living in that country. |
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| Mosaic |
great news!
I can't stand the thinking of right-wing parties. And I think the US republicans are the worst.
I wish the NDP had power over here in Canada. |
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| cycloptor |
| yeah...cause the liberials really ed us up what with all the good they did:rolleyes: |
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| Dj_Irish |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Socialist party gaining control huh? Sounds scarry. Best of luck to anyone living in that country. |
Contrary to your beliefs, democratic socialism in Europe is not aching to something like communism. Which your post implies. However democratic socialists usually belives in such "madness" as health care, social wellfair and free education. Usually the root of all evil eh? :p |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
It seems to me that americans associate socialism with communism and communism with pure evil. If you haven't noticed, there's a poll in the polls:everything else area, where the question is "which is better, fascism or communism". Fascism is in the lead 12:8. I'm pretty shocked there, because it either shows american lack of education in that area, or worse, that they know about both systems and still truly think fascism is better.
Really, guys, communism does not equal stalin, and socialism does not equal communism. Socialist parties in europe are all democratic, and the thing that differentiates them from the rest is greater care for the social rights of the people (welfare, healthcare, education), and increased state control over strategically important industries (aerospace, energy), or their ownership. |
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| Az |
this is superb news, the most liberal country in Europe gets even better :toothless
Now wouldn't it be great if the Labour party could swing back to the left ;) |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj_Irish
However democratic socialists usually belives in such "madness" as health care, social wellfair and free education. Usually the root of all evil eh? :p |
Well, if those are the only issues that the socialist party backs, then cool. I'm all for good healthcare, good free unlimited education, and social wellfair as long as there are limits and the quality of each can match that of capitalist governments. The problem is, is that I have a feeling the overall heathcare and educational quality will suffer.
I know this is kinda messed up, but here where I live and work, since I have a good job, I have access to the best medical facilities (Stanford) and educational(Private schools, colleges) facilities in the world for me and my family. Here, if you strive to be the best, you get the best. Problem is, is that poor, uneducated people here are left with so-so medical coverage and so-so public schools. This is a major problem. Maybe social medicine with the lack of quality is the answer, maybe somewhere in between??? This is a problem no government has ever been able to solve.
As for socialism vs. communism, you are right. I think that they are very similar. Does anyone have a link explaining the differences? I would be interested in learning more about this. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 or worse, that they know about both systems and still truly think fascism is better. |
Hehehe, that would be me. Perhaps I'll get around to posting why in that thread at some point. |
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