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Iran is next (pg. 5)
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wurm
Not under the ground, but soon to be flowing over the ground in pipes. Mustn't let those Iranians get their hands on Black Sea oil. |
First of all I believe it was a natural gas pipeline. And secondly if you're going to argue that war for oil point please dispute the arguments I presented in this thread long long ago:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ine+afghanistan |
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| Galapidate |
| Jeez, can't they wrap things up in Afghanistan and Iraq first?!?! Seriously, all Bush is doing is disrupting the Mideast and is not putting the countries back together after going in. It is obvious he has never heard of post-war reconstruction before in his life. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
Jeez, can't they wrap things up in Afghanistan and Iraq first?!?! Seriously, all Bush is doing is disrupting the Mideast and is not putting the countries back together after going in. It is obvious he has never heard of post-war reconstruction before in his life. |
Here's an interesting article I read on the Iraqi reconstruction effort:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ml?nav=hptop_tb
At least Iraq is getting more attention than afghanistan. |
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| Galapidate |
Well that's quite obvious. But Taliban are seeping back into Afghanistan again. |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| seeping? bah! they're in mass collecting again. And rebuilding efforts in Iraq? ha! more like more American soldiers have been killed these past few days than during the actual military campaign. They aren't rebuilding . the Shiites are going to revolt as soon as a "government" is setup. |
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| Galapidate |
| Well I used the term "seeping" because that's how the mass media refers to it as. |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
Well I used the term "seeping" because that's how the mass media refers to it as. |
the media! haven't we already established that the media doesn't know its collective ass from its collective elbow? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vesa
Indeed, it's time to reassess this topic. Some of my predictions about Iran back in March were right, some wrong, but what's important is that Neocons are now pushing hard for a regime change in Iran.
Apparently Neocons are repeating their tactics from Iraq, and they are going to use only CIA, American/British Spec-Ops and propaganda to get a pro-"democratic" popular uprising in Iran:
Special forces 'prepare for Iran attack'
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/ar...ning%20Standard
British and American intelligence and special forces have been put on alert for a conflict with Iran within the next 12 months, as fears grow that Tehran is building a nuclear weapons programme.
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Already CIA agents are known to have been working inside Iran to establish the full range of the Iranian nuclear programme
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A British intelligence official said that any campaign against Iran would not be a ground war like the one in Iraq. The Americans will use different tactics, said the intelligence officer. "It is getting quite scary."
Guess who is among the first to agitate US into taking action ... Richard Perle!
Rumsfeld Adviser Urges Support for Iran Protests
http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...Id=9116&lang=en
"There may be change in Iran because the regime in Iran is miserably unpopular," Perle said at the German Council on Foreign Relations.
"Young Iranians will find better uses for their limited resources than building nuclear power in a country so rich in oil. We can already see signs that Iranians... would like to see regime change. They should be encouraged."
Paralleling their 1990's plans of a popular uprising in Iraq, Neocons are now trying to pass an "Iran Democracy Act":
Bush pressed to pursue 'regime change' in Iran
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentS...p=1012571727162
The Iran Democracy Act would be similar in approach to the Iraq Liberation Act passed by Congress in 1998 which adopted regime change in Baghdad as the policy goal. The Iran bill would make it US policy to "support an internationally monitored referendum in Iran by which the Iranian people can peacefully change the system of government in Iran".
More than $50m would be provided to support opposition Iranian groups and broadcasters adopting this goal. Mr Brownback said it was possible that a provision for covert operations would also be included.
Blair is again supporting the US. The following link didn't work, but the headline says it all:
UK Wants EU Ultimatum for Iran (Telegraph article)
The US and their lapdog once again want Europe to participate in their adventure. Hostile language is used especially against France:
But Perle said Washington needed more backing and called on Germany to help end divisions opened up by the war between some European nations and the United States.
"I would hope that you Germans would persuade the French that the situation France is creating by trying to build Europe in opposition to the United States is bad for Germany, bad for Europe and bad ultimately for France."
Gentlemen, the cat is out of the bag!!! No more talk about cheese-eating surrender monkeys, but even Perle admits that this is strategical rivalry: US against EU.
It's hard to assess the significance of the latest anti-"terrorist" operation in France, but it looks to me like France is defiant even with regard to Iran. So defiant, that they threw sand at Neocons' face by crushing their favourite pet i.e. the Iranian opposition group who might do Neocons' fighting for them
Iran's "future president" arrested
http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_de...642-1-9,00.html
French police have arrested more than 150 people in a crackdown on the People's Mujahadeen, the main Iranian opposition group, including a woman seen by the group as the future president of the country, police said.
I'm not sure if the US can protest this action because Bush calls his policy with the name "War On Terror", so France arresting terrorists can't be against US interests, right? :p Anyway, this group is strategically equivalent to Chalabi/INC in Iraq, so behind the scenes, the US is likely to be very upset, and the US/EU rift is growing very big. EU lately played lip service to the US by demanding Iran allows nuclear inspectors, but I suspect this is really just a stalling tactics to sabotage Neocon plans.
Of course, the supporters of regime change in Iran will disguise the latest Neocon actions by saying they are "contingency plans only", so that Anti-War Camp would wake up only when it's too late. But we all know that Neocons may only have one and a half years in power, so they'll do their everything to get a regime change in Iran before the Presidential elections. |
thanks for posting those M8!!
but after reading it all,Iam VERY scared and sad at the same time,I mean my people already got the taste of Amercian Influence back in days,and they know very well that America ruined their country by bringing Mollahs.I just hope they make the right decision,and if there is going to be a regime change let the people decide what they want,not America.
I heard recently Reza Shah's son is joining the Mojahedin:( which is very scary,and believe me thats worst thing that could happen to Iran,Mojahedin are bunch of ed up people that will be worst then the current goverment in Iran,and they wont bring freedom to iran.I heard some scary stories from my parents,that made me sick to my stomach.
If there is ever going to be a war between EU and U.S,America Attacking Iran would the major cause of that.
Iran means soo much to europe,and there is alot involve with them that I dont even know.
so it is a very scary time right now,I just pray that America would stay the away because if they attack I could say it is a begining of bigger wars. |
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| Galapidate |
| I watched Pahlavi's son in an interview a couple months ago. He was talking about how he felt it was time for change in Iran because he thinks many people hate the government. Apparently he's conducting something similar to a revolution straight from the U.S. (where he's located now) to Iran. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
I watched Pahlavi's son in an interview a couple months ago. He was talking about how he felt it was time for change in Iran because he thinks many people hate the government. Apparently he's conducting something similar to a revolution straight from the U.S. (where he's located now) to Iran. |
hopefuly this time people wont let this happen,since they know what could happen if they let US to get involve!!
if there is going to be a new government in Iran,it should be made in Iran from the people who live there,not from someone who hasnt been to Iran for 30 yrs!! |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
hopefuly this time people wont let this happen,since they know what could happen if they let US to get involve!!
if there is going to be a new government in Iran,it should be made in Iran from the people who live there,not from someone who hasnt been to Iran for 30 yrs!! |
Well, considering his ability to be in Iran, that is sort of unfair. His father went into exile from Iran, and his family followed. Besides, the irony in that is funny because a minor example of this is demonstrated in the U.S. Why does Hillary Clinton get to be senator of New York if she never lived there? So why can't the Shah's son hypothetically become leader of Iran even though he went with his father into exile 25 years ago. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
Well, considering his ability to be in Iran, that is sort of unfair. His father went into exile from Iran, and his family followed. Besides, the irony in that is funny because a minor example of this is demonstrated in the U.S. Why does Hillary Clinton get to be senator of New York if she never lived there? So why can't the Shah's son hypothetically become leader of Iran even though he went with his father into exile 25 years ago. |
well I guess anything is possible these days,and hey it might even happen.But I really doubt that you see since 70% of the population there is under 30 yrs of age,most of then dont know how is like having a king ruling their country,and hey lets be honets those days are over,and that was not democracy all the way,in the other hand they all have experienced life under the rules of islam,and its seems that they dont want their country being run by religion.
so Iam very anxtious to see who they want to be the leader and what type of government they choose.
on an interview with Shah's son he said he wants to go to iran and let people decide what they want,but I think he wants to follow his fathers foot steps,and snice I heard that he joined the Mojahedin,I think he is talking . |
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