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RAVE Act Analysis, Part 2 (pg. 2)
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| trancEyes22 |
| why did my post come out weird...well anyway, that last little paragraph was what i said. |
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| mongeone |
| quote: | Originally posted by drizzt81
ps.: how come this is sepecifically targeted at E, not at pot?? Tell me, how come that smoking a joint and listening to hip hop is not percieved as poorly as going to a club/ party/ rave and rolling? |
bwhahahaha (sorry man im not laughing at you) but can you imagine them trying to do that... i bet the government wants to so bad but the second they try shutting down hip hop clubs and making them illegal there is going to be huge racial riots and protests guaranteed... it would eb the worst move a politician could make!!! |
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| DaveSaenz |
It's not only "underground" that is getting the blame.....
I know you care. I just misunderstood you. ;)
And I hope that Glow never dies so I can visit it sometime. :D
NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER RAYMOND W. KELLY AND SPECIAL NARCOTICS PROSECUTOR BRIDGET G. BRENNAN ANNOUNCE CLOSURE OF TWO NIGHTCLUBS IN MANHATTAN ON CHARGES OF ONGOING ILLEGAL "DESIGNER" DRUG ACTIVITIES
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New York City Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly and Special Narcotics Prosecutor Bridget G. Brennan today announced the closure of two large nightclubs in Manhattan on charges of ongoing illegal drug activities. The Sound Factory, at 616-620 West 46th Street, and Exit, at 610 West 56th Street, were closed on Friday, February 7, by order of the New York State Supreme Court. These closing orders are subject to modification by the court.
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> "The New York City Police Department is combatting the illegal narcotics trade everywhere in our city – not only in the streets, but also in nightclubs," said Commissioner Kelly. "Our detectives did a terrific job throughout this investigation. Thanks to their hard work, we are sending a clear message to nightclub owners: If you allow illegal drugs to saturate your business and endanger your patrons, we'll shut you down."
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> Special Narcotics Prosecutor Brennan said: "Most of those we are prosecuting are college students who seemed to have no preciation of the legal consequences to themselves or the harm that their distribution of the drugs brought to their customers. The special treatment they received in the exclusive areas of the clubs enhanced their sense that they could conduct criminal business with impunity."
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> Both nightclubs have been the scene of numerous narcotics crimes, usually involving illegal "designer" drugs, such as Ecstasy (methylenedioxy methamphetamine or MDMA) and Special K (ketamine). In Exit, undercover detectives not only purchased drugs easily, they also observed many club patrons using them in the open. In other incidents, detectives purchased benign substances that the sellers claimed were illegal drugs, a common ploy used by narcotics dealers to defraud naive drug buyers.
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> The nightclub was previously the subject of a nuisance abatement action, in September 2000. After extensive negotiations with the club owners at that time, Exit was allowed to operate after club management agreed to institute numerous anti-drug policies, including hiring an independent private-sector inspector general, or IPSIG, to monitor and report on club activities. The IPSIG agreement covered a nine-month period, from October 2001 to June 2002.
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> At the Sound Factory, the larger nightclub with a capacity of more than 1,400 people, undercover detectives purchased Ecstasy, Special K, methamphetamine, cocaine and marijuana. During the investigation, drug use by patrons was clearly in the open. In fact, on Jan. 26, 2003, a 19-year-old woman overdosed and was removed from the club in an unconscious state. The Sound Factory was also temporarily closed by
nuisance abatement order on April 30, 1999.
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> This investigation was initiated by the Narcotics Division of the New York City Police Department and the investigation was assisted
> by the office of the Special Narcotics prosecutor and the NYPD's Civil Enforcement Unit. The Civil Enforcement Unit secured nuisance abatement closing orders against 649 locations across the city in 2002, for charges including illegal narcotics, gambling, ostitution, auto crime, stolen property, alcohol beverage control law, and trademark infringement offenses.
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> Eleven defendants are being prosecuted for drug sales inside the clubs by the Office of the Special Narcotics Prosecutor.
Wasn't Buzz in DC shut down for drug-related probs too?? |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by mongeone
bwhahahaha (sorry man im not laughing at you) but can you imagine them trying to do that... i bet the government wants to so bad but the second they try shutting down hip hop clubs and making them illegal there is going to be huge racial riots and protests guaranteed... it would eb the worst move a politician could make!!! |
I didn't think of the racial factor, but I'm sure there is something to that. :rolleyes: |
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| X-Hale |
Wouldn't u think it would be better for clubs to not 'shut' but accept that people will take drugs and provide adequate safety measures for this??
This has happened in many clubs across the world, just because the USA use this approach doesn't mean its right.
The USA's government is too hasty with alot of issues it would seem ;)
Closing clubs is just going to cause more bother, instread of shutting them completely, make it a safer environment and enforce full searches.
DJ Slain, I'm afraid to say I believe you're acting rather childish, making out that all drug users are bad.
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| Arbiter |
Look, the fact of the matter is, unless you can justify the laws prohibiting drug use, you really have no business criticizing people for refusing to conform to those laws.
I have yet to see anyone make a serious effort to justify those laws, but if you'd like to attempt to do so, I'd be happy to hear what you have to say. Otherwise, I really don't see how you can claim to have a point. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Closing down clubs is a too harsh measure, but I do agree with the idea that the drug usage should be banned. The only thing is that it shouldn't be done by closing down the clubs, but by actively persuing the dealers. If you see a dealer in a club and close the club down because of him, he's gonna go somewhere else. Drugs are usually influencing people in a negative way, and many individuals aren't intelligent enough to look far ahead enough to see where drug use is leading them. Another problem with drugs is that they are not only a problem to the individual who is using them, but they are a problem to the community as well. You can say you don't want to wear a seatbelt because it's your life you're risking, but when you crash and suffer injuries far worse than you would if you'd have worn a seat belt, when you get in the hospital, you do expect that you will be taken care of nevertheless. |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnaeblis
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ght=EDM+History
I wrote a whole bunch of crap about it, read it if you're interested.
Here's a lil snipit:
"According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, cases which required emergency medical aid involving Ecstasy (nationwide) was 2,850, while there were over 338,000 reported emergency cases involving Marijuana, and other gateway drugs. Also the Bureau of Justice has reported that 73.3% of all high school students have experimented with some form of illegal narcotic, Ecstasy is 5.5% of that total. (Emergency Department Trends, 2001) A survey done by MixMAG, a popular magazine reported that a survey out of 1151 party-goers, only ninety-six were participating in the usage of Ecstasy.--"
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'Bureau of Justice Stats'?!? maybe they are a little biased? hmm?
but i fail to understand how a drug like MJ with little if no addictive properties, and really no ability to kill you, much less cause 'emergency cases' can be included in a figure like that.
its a scare tactic. they put MJ first, and then group 'other gateway drugs' in right after that.
what does that mean?
what are the 'other' gateway drugs?
what is a gateway drug? and why?
see, overall this isnt a matter of health. that means all to the US govt. they want arrests and busts, so they can call it crime and make money from fines, etc. 'gateway' drugs wouldnt be gateway if they didnt tell 6 yr olds that MJ is as bad as heroin. cause then, when that kid tokes up at 17 or whatever, he gets it into his head that 'hey, this isnt so bad, why not try all those other drugs'.
thats terrible, but what is worse is that the govt is CREATING crime by making these things illegal. and since these drugs are unregulated, they are inherently more unsafe, and thusly - more 'emergency situations'.
any time MJ is noted in an arrest for whatever reason, usually that person has been drinking alchol as well, so the stats are completely skewed for a 'legal drug'.
i think Pio is right, and i could continue, but i think i will stop.
basically you can blame whoever you want. but i think the 'clubbers and ravers' who LARGELY support this music culture/industry shouldnt get a stricter eye that a bunch of wealthy, white, senior citizen, politicians that know nothing about what goes on in said events| |
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| djSlain |
| quote: | | Originally posted by biznology ...bunch of wealthy, white, senior citizen, politicians that know nothing about what goes on in said events...| |
ok, what does go on in these events? i think the government has been pretty accurate about what goes on in the raves. |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by djSlain
ok, what does go on in these events? i think the government has been pretty accurate about what goes on in the raves. |
well then, if they know *exactly* what happens...why such vague legislation?
if they know exactly who is selling, who is doing, and who is in possession, why not make arrests? why alter 'crack-house' legislation to conform to music events? i dont consider people addicted to a highly addictive, cheap drug going somewhere to get their hit the same as going to a party...do you? |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
actually....i go to plenty club events. maybe a lot of the underground is banned, but if you are a true lover of the music- then there are def a lot of trance clubs in the U.S. unless you're in like, alaska or something. i do care, but not enough to bitch and whine about it on this thread like ya'll!!!! :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: |
Name a single Trance club in Pennsylvania (US-PA), New Jersey (US-NJ), or Delaware (US-DE). I mean a club that plays NOTHING BUT Trance. |
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| trancEyes22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ali92
Name a single Trance club in Pennsylvania (US-PA), New Jersey (US-NJ), or Delaware (US-DE). I mean a club that plays NOTHING BUT Trance. |
actually, the trance clubs that i go to now usually have an upstairs room where they play rap. so if thats the case:
PA: envy, egypt, shampoo, chrome
DE: theres nothing even in that state to begin with
NJ: never been there but im sure there is
also, name one in each state that have been closed down....btw, why does everyone in this thread have a stick up their ass?! |
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