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| melech_mike |
| quote: | | I'm not sure about declaring a palestine state, but at this point I do think it's a step forward. |
Would you give Osama Bin Laden Afganistan back?
I dont understand how people think by giving them statehood would solve all the problems plaguing the mid-east. You can't give Arafat and his dirty regime power over a country, he would abuse it and would make even more termoil in the region!
Perhaps the Palestinian people should demand him gone and a new more democratic leader put forth. only than will Israel have no choice but to try and make peace with this new leader. After things remain at a calm for a specified period of time, than the plans for a country called Palestine can be put to action. You cant reward terror -- it will only cause more crazed s to take advantage of peoples fears; more terror will arise!
| quote: | | Yes Arafat HAS to go, and that will help things move in the right direction. |
We finally found something we both agree on!! ;)
| quote: | | The desperation of the Palastine people with poverty, lack of education, etc.. Those things also have to be fixed, people with jobs and a reason to live want to live in peace; people who have nothing tend towards violence to those who they blame for their situation. |
Those things cant be fixed by Israel. Those responsibilties were handed over to the PA who obviously messed things up. I dont doubt for a second that Arafat and his henchmen have pocketed a lot of money. i'm sure there is evidence on this somewhere; its not the case that i'm arguing right now. Israel let many Palestinians come into Israel to work, but after so many of those supposed workers blew themselves and many other them away, it wasn't in Israels security interests to continue letting these people into the country! Makes sense to me, and i'm sure it does to you too!
The PA wants to keep they're populus stupid and ignorant to whats really going on. For if they dare find out the truth, they will topple Arafat and his regime faster than the US will demolish Bagdhad! Its obvious that Israel is not to blame for the Palestinian people misfortune, but rather their own leader. A leader that hasn't done anything for them in over 30 years of his chairmenship. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
Those things cant be fixed by Israel. Those responsibilties were handed over to the PA who obviously messed things up. I dont doubt for a second that Arafat and his henchmen have pocketed a lot of money. i'm sure there is evidence on this somewhere; its not the case that i'm arguing right now. Israel let many Palestinians come into Israel to work, but after so many of those supposed workers blew themselves and many other them away, it wasn't in Israels security interests to continue letting these people into the country! Makes sense to me, and i'm sure it does to you too!
The PA wants to keep they're populus stupid and ignorant to whats really going on. For if they dare find out the truth, they will topple Arafat and his regime faster than the US will demolish Bagdhad! Its obvious that Israel is not to blame for the Palestinian people misfortune, but rather their own leader. A leader that hasn't done anything for them in over 30 years of his chairmenship. |
How can you be so ignorant to say that Israel will "fix" these problems up when they are the very reason why these problems (poverty, no health care, and lack of proper education) exist in the first place. Israel has repeatedly, under the excuse of weeding out terrorists, bombed the ministries of health and education there, basically destroying the very infastructure needed to facilitate these institutions.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | | How can you be so ignorant to say that Israel will "fix" these problems up when they are the very reason why these problems (poverty, no health care, and lack of proper education) exist in the first place. Israel has repeatedly, under the excuse of weeding out terrorists, bombed the ministries of health and education there, basically destroying the very infastructure needed to facilitate these institutions. |
Haha, you again!:rolleyes:
Anyways, i never said Israel would fix these problems... i clearly said that its not Israels responsibilty! Read it again my love!:whip:
Israel is not the reason for the Palestinian peoples poverty stricken existence. Its easy to blame someone for your misfortune, its hard to look at yourself and re-evaluate whats wrong from within.
Israel is the scapegoat for the whole Muslim world. If anything wrong happends its because of Israel (it would be more acurate to say because of the Jews, but i dont want to take this towards calling them anti-semites), Israel this Israel that. Wake up Cyrus. I know you cant really be that stupid! (thats not a flame!)
They destroy those facilities because there was terrorist activies taken place there. these places were chosen because Arafat knew that he would get busted, and what better place to start a PR war than health and education. He knew that Israel would destroy those facilities, and he could make it look like Israel is a lose canon, destroying the Palestinian peoples hope for any education or health care! What kind of education was being taught in those facilities before they were destroyed? And what health care was provided?
The fact of the matter is those places were terrorist hubs... They were destroyed for a reason (a simple search on yahoo will give you more than enough sources on the real reasons behind the destruction of those buildings).
Do not try and pull a cover over peoples eyes Cyrus, in the end it will only work against you. |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
Would you give Osama Bin Laden Afganistan back?
I dont understand how people think by giving them statehood would solve all the problems plaguing the mid-east. |
If Israel offered to accept a democratic Palastine state would you not support that? The comparison to Osama bin Laden is a flawed one, come on lets not get silly here.
| quote: | | You can't give Arafat and his dirty regime power over a country, he would abuse it and would make even more termoil in the region! |
Arafat will step down, and if the world wants to start a real peace process why not have the UN step in and start work on making Palastine a democratic state and also help to rebuild it.
| quote: | | Perhaps the Palestinian people should demand him gone and a new more democratic leader put forth. |
I think they are too busy hating Israeli's and not realizing the problems with their own government. Its scape goating at its finest, they are too pre occupied with Israel to focus on their own internal problems. Another reason why the UN should be there and why declaring a palestine state will get things moving in the right direction.
| quote: | | only than will Israel have no choice but to try and make peace with this new leader. After things remain at a calm for a specified period of time, than the plans for a country called Palestine can be put to action. You cant reward terror -- it will only cause more crazed s to take advantage of peoples fears; more terror will arise! |
You can't reward terror, I do agree there. But we have to give consessions sometimes in peace agreements. Both sides have to give up something in order to gain true peace.
| quote: | | Those things cant be fixed by Israel. Those responsibilties were handed over to the PA who obviously messed things up. I dont doubt for a second that Arafat and his henchmen have pocketed a lot of money. |
Again another great reason for the UN to step in.
| quote: | | i'm sure there is evidence on this somewhere; its not the case that i'm arguing right now. Israel let many Palestinians come into Israel to work, but after so many of those supposed workers blew themselves and many other them away, it wasn't in Israels security interests to continue letting these people into the country! Makes sense to me, and i'm sure it does to you too! |
I agree, but then there is also the issue of how do you stop this from happening? Obviously retaliation isn't working for either side, so something new must be done.
| quote: | | The PA wants to keep they're populus stupid and ignorant to whats really going on. For if they dare find out the truth, they will topple Arafat and his regime faster than the US will demolish Bagdhad! |
I think its more 'blinded by hate' than utter ignorance about the situation.. The Palastine's are focused on the evil Israeli's and evil Americans being the ones to blame.. If they were finally given a state they could start focusing on other things like rebuilding their homes and starting to focus on important things like health, education, and a better living.
| quote: | | Its obvious that Israel is not to blame for the Palestinian people misfortune, but rather their own leader. A leader that hasn't done anything for them in over 30 years of his chairmenship. |
Israel isn't innocent, yes Arafat shoulders a lot of blame but both sides are guilty of many things.
But again, the point being not what has happened but what to do now.. Remove Arafat, bring in the UN peacekeepers and create a new government based on democratic system. Help to rebuild the country, declare Palastine a state and start to work on the long peace process and ending the cycle of violence. |
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| quddha |
Wow melech_mike. You use the word "truth" alot. How do you know what you read is the absolute truth or a biased truth? how do you KNOW? you can't. It is impossible. You agree with their views therefore its easier for you to accept it as the truth.
I, and I'm sure many others as well, find it to be extremely arrogant of you to think that your view of the truth is the ABSOLUTE truth of all truths, as if you were some sort of all-knowing superior being. :P
Until you can find humility in that way, its simply pointless to debate with someone who thinks he's absolutely right with no exceptions.
Don't you think that's kind of closed minded?
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." |
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| occrider |
| I think that Melech Mike's "truth" is as truthful as Thor's. Perosonally I stay out of the Israel/Palestine issue but I can't help but recognize that while melech mike's sites speak of very factual events, I think that it is very one sided and that Thor has a very significant argument as well which is not stated in Melech Mikes's sites. Overall, however, I really love how you guys are exprssing your difference of opinions. It's been enjoyable how we havent resorted to flaming at this point in time. I think that goes to show how much we really want our forum to stay in place! |
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| shlomo_hamalech |
FACT AND TRUTH SAYS THAT THERE ARE NO SUCH PEOPLE AS PALESTINIANS!
THESE DISPICABLE ARAB PROPAGANDISTS THAT SAY THEY ARE PALESTINIAN ARE FILTHY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DESTROY THE LIVES OF GOOD DEMOCRATIC CITIZENS OF THE FINE STATE OF ISRAEL!!!
G-D BLESSES ISRAEL, AND MAY HE CONTINUE TO DO SO!!!!!!
I used to be a liberal idiot, saying everyone can do whatever they want, have their own truths... BUT THAT IS BULL!!!!
please please please!!! grow up guys... this is how I realized how bad drugs are, and TV! They screw with your minds! make your logic mushy!!!
First of all, as stated many times.
There is no palestinians, they are not a people. Because if they are, then You! I'm part of the world people, and whereever you live your living in my native homeland! So get out now! your massacring my children!!! your destroying my struggling economy!!
As obsurd as that sounds, bottom line there are palestinians!
These arabs can take a hike! thats what they will do anyways! and all you freedom fakers out there can watch and make angry faces as the world moves and you sit there like an old granny talking smack all the time to justify your pathetic lifestyles full of sympathy for murderers and dictators!!
There are absolute truths out there, as melech_mike stated, and you don't want to look for it because you know it will force inner reflection which is not done at all in todays society!!
NO TO PALESTINIAN STATE!!! THEY CAN GO LIVE AMONG THE OTHER 22 OR SO ARAB COUNTRIES!!! ANYONE WHO WANTS TO STICK YOUR NOSE IN IT!!
TALK ABOUT AMERICA OR SOMETHING ELSE!!
ISRAEL WILL DEAL WITH THESE TERRORISTS AS IT HAS SO FAR!!!
SCREAM ALL YOU WANT! WE DONT WANT TO KILL ANYONE EXCEPT THOSE THAT STOP US FROM LIVING IN SeCURITY!!!!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:happy2:
talk tlak talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk atlk talk talk talk
go read and listen to the truth all you ignorant argumentative people!!!!!
and whats the problem with a site being pro-israel?
does being pro-israel mean its wrong?
if so, then
----- YOU!!!! -----
you anti-semetic pieces of !!!! Being pro-israel is PERFECTLY GOOD AS BEING PRO AMERICA, OR PRO FREEDOM!!!! OBJECTIVE TRUTH IS NOT SIDED!!!! ITS THE TRUTH!!! SO MAYBE YOU NEED TO RETHINK YOUR DEFINITIONS AND ALIGNMENTS!!!
anyways have a nice weekend everyone!!
if we talk about the world in general you will all see that my and melech_mike's views are different,
BUT BUT BUT we keep responding to stuff about Israel and the 'palestinians' really 'terrorist arabs trying to kill off the only democracy in the middle east'!!!
can't you see we know more then you ignramouses(sp??) here?? stop talking about the palestinians like they're anything good, cause they are not!!! We shove facts down your throats but you just ignore them!!
stop creating unnecesary tension on this board by psostingf about palestinians! they are homewrecking filthy arabs=because-even-other-arab-countries-don't-want-to-take-them-in!!! So thats by their own standards! so if you want to bash me for calling them
DIRTY ANIMALS, FILTHY BEHEMOTHS, BARBARIANS, OR ANYTHING ELSE, the base is the example given by the arab countries that don't want to take them in..
or how about this.... the country of Jordan is population of 80% 'palestinians' so why is it run by the 20% hashamite population??
stop looking at israel, and look to the truth you good people of planet earth..
And about absolute truths...
here is one
G-d is perfection by definition. I don't care how warped your minds are from drugs, you cannot argue the fact that in this world, if we all strived to be like G-d which is perfect as taught in the OLD TESTAMENT AKA THE TORAH, AKA THE BIBLE (christianity added man made changes and so did muslims to the original torah given by G-d)
you want to see how jews REALLY are?
go to http://www.aish.com to read how the jews of today think...
go read 1 essay, and then come here and argue that what is said is no truth... and I don't care WHERE you are from, or WHO YOU ARE!!!
IGNORANCE RUNS THIS WORLD TODAY!!!! I HAVE A MISSION TO END IT!!!
SHLOMO ELIYAHU |
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| melech_mike |
hahaha, theres no in around with you huh!
:haha: *Roll in the flamers* :haha:
Shlomo_hamelech... you have a very unique way of putting things into prospective... one that i dont have a problem with, but I think that some TA's (pro-arab ones) are gonna be crying about this.
You cant expect to change the views of every ignorant person out there... i commend you for trying, and wish you the best of luck in the future! |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech
FACT AND TRUTH SAYS THAT THERE ARE NO SUCH PEOPLE AS PALESTINIANS!
THESE DISPICABLE ARAB PROPAGANDISTS THAT SAY THEY ARE PALESTINIAN ARE FILTHY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DESTROY THE LIVES OF GOOD DEMOCRATIC CITIZENS OF THE FINE STATE OF ISRAEL!!!
G-D BLESSES ISRAEL, AND MAY HE CONTINUE TO DO SO!!!!!!
I used to be a liberal idiot, saying everyone can do whatever they want, have their own truths... BUT THAT IS BULL!!!!
please please please!!! grow up guys... this is how I realized how bad drugs are, and TV! They screw with your minds! make your logic mushy!!!
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Maybe I spoke too soon ... |
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| Arbiter |
| Closing this forum wouldn't solve anything... you'd just see these kinds of threads cropping up in the COR all the time again, and they'd only be worse. Seems like a simple-minded answer to a simple-minded problem, if you ask me. |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
hahaha, theres no in around with you huh!
:haha: *Roll in the flamers* :haha:
Shlomo_hamelech... you have a very unique way of putting things into prospective... one that i dont have a problem with, but I think that some TA's (pro-arab ones) are gonna be crying about this.
You cant expect to change the views of every ignorant person out there... i commend you for trying, and wish you the best of luck in the future! |
If people can't discuss their differences without resorting to name calling then please stay out of this forum. Nobody wants to listen to that nonesense.
So just for the record, am I ignorant? |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech
FACT AND TRUTH SAYS THAT THERE ARE NO SUCH PEOPLE AS PALESTINIANS!
THESE DISPICABLE ARAB PROPAGANDISTS THAT SAY THEY ARE PALESTINIAN ARE FILTHY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DESTROY THE LIVES OF GOOD DEMOCRATIC CITIZENS OF THE FINE STATE OF ISRAEL!!!
G-D BLESSES ISRAEL, AND MAY HE CONTINUE TO DO SO!!!!!! |
So I'll ink extremist under your name, oh and what then is the difference between an arab extremist and a jewish extremist?
NONE.
| quote: | I used to be a liberal idiot, saying everyone can do whatever they want, have their own truths... BUT THAT IS BULL!!!!
please please please!!! grow up guys... this is how I realized how bad drugs are, and TV! They screw with your minds! make your logic mushy!!! |
Wow you have a mighty intellect, I'm confounded by your logic and profound arguments.
| quote: | As obsurd as that sounds, bottom line there are palestinians!
These arabs can take a hike! thats what they will do anyways! and all you freedom fakers out there can watch and make angry faces as the world moves and you sit there like an old granny talking smack all the time to justify your pathetic lifestyles full of sympathy for murderers and dictators!! |
Eye of the beholder.
| quote: | There are absolute truths out there, as melech_mike stated, and you don't want to look for it because you know it will force inner reflection which is not done at all in todays society!!
NO TO PALESTINIAN STATE!!! THEY CAN GO LIVE AMONG THE OTHER 22 OR SO ARAB COUNTRIES!!! ANYONE WHO WANTS TO STICK YOUR NOSE IN IT!!
TALK ABOUT AMERICA OR SOMETHING ELSE!!
ISRAEL WILL DEAL WITH THESE TERRORISTS AS IT HAS SO FAR!!!
SCREAM ALL YOU WANT! WE DONT WANT TO KILL ANYONE EXCEPT THOSE THAT STOP US FROM LIVING IN SeCURITY!!!! |
Do you support wiping them out? Why not kill them all and that way you don't have to ever worry about terrorism.
| quote: | talk tlak talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk atlk talk talk talk
go read and listen to the truth all you ignorant argumentative people!!!!! |
I think the ignorance is quite obvious, you just don't realize that the ignorance comes from your own mouth.
| quote: | and whats the problem with a site being pro-israel?
does being pro-israel mean its wrong? |
Nothing wrong with being pro Israel, as long as it doesn't make you pro - stupid.. Sadly you seem to have no clue.
| quote: | if so, then
----- YOU!!!! -----
you anti-semetic pieces of !!!! Being pro-israel is PERFECTLY GOOD AS BEING PRO AMERICA, OR PRO FREEDOM!!!! OBJECTIVE TRUTH IS NOT SIDED!!!! ITS THE TRUTH!!! SO MAYBE YOU NEED TO RETHINK YOUR DEFINITIONS AND ALIGNMENTS!!! |
Oh that is interesting, anyone differing your opinion is anti-semetic? You are pro-ignorance and stupidity. Please leave debate to people of maturity and class.
| quote: | | DIRTY ANIMALS, FILTHY BEHEMOTHS, BARBARIANS, OR ANYTHING ELSE, the base is the example given by the arab countries that don't want to take them in.. |
You called others anti-semetic, yet you put the value of your enemies to that of animals.. Hmmm, 'calling the kettle black....' ;)
| quote: | IGNORANCE RUNS THIS WORLD TODAY!!!! I HAVE A MISSION TO END IT!!!
SHLOMO ELIYAHU |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that statement, I choose... LAUGH MY ASS OFF :D
Seriously man, go away, if you can't debate like a civilized person then you should just avoid it altogether. Ignorance is your god obviously, good luck with a mission to end your ignorance, I fear it may just be hopeless :D |
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