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Are you a right winger or left winger? (pg. 3)
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| IronDragon |
| quote: | Originally posted by drewfactor
I definitely gravitate to right wing thought for sure. I read about politics, world issues, etc... and I find that the right wing slant always appeals to me. I find that university tends to nurture left wing thought and tends to uphold left wing bias in campus media and even in courses (especially social sciences).
One other thing: Adhering to one side of the political spectrum tends to come with conditions, do you agree with that? What I mean is, right wingers tend to be pro-American and Israeli sympathisers, left wingers tend to be anti-American and pro palestinian. Are these necessary conditions for being right wing or left wing? |
A Kerouac quoting conservative?
What's next: Sean Hannity quoting Ginsberg? Robert Novak reading The Autobiography of Malcolm X? |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech
there is a difference in judging someone on religious observance, and on worldly affairs!
Firstly, to judge someone that is bias you know they are wrong and they don't base their opinion on fact, but on their hunch or their emotion is what I refer to most of the time. We just saw in another post of mine, someone saying that they hope the arabs kill all the israeli's cause we stole their land. But fact shows this is wrong, and izzy replied saying that he already had a discussion with this person (rupert) about it already, proving rupert atleast wrong about a massacre. But rupert tried to use this same point already disproven to show why jews need to be destroyed. Hence, rupert is an idiot.
However, someone who says based on the liberal views of the media, or liberal views in general, are just going with the flow of the day.
back in the days of the german 3rd reich, im sure most of the people would have seen that their ideas are wrong, but they were caught in the political stream of the day... here too, we are finding (as we studied in a political science course I took..) that many have been turning to total liberalism as of late. Generally it was conservatism, or a mix, but now we are finding out with the old/tried/tested, and in with the new/fresh/untested. Basically, its the way the world is working and I am seeing from a birds eye view that is going downhill, and going to bring more chaos then anything else...
It's ok if no one agrees with me... lets just see what happens with time...
Shlomo |
Dude, extremes of any kind are always bad. |
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| montie |
i agree that what shlomo says is pretty pathetic and "stupid"
but he's got his reasons as misinformed or skewed as we may view them to be.
theres no point in flaming him tho
it just makes the other side look bad because you aren't saying anything worth while.
instead of flaming respond to the points and show how they are wrong.
of course its not gonna change anything.
**arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win, your still retarded** :D
now i must be running |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | | **arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win, your still retarded** |
:rolleyes: |
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| Christopher B |
| I am in the middle, tending to lean on the left side. Being too far to the right is no good, because right wingers tend to base their decision on their morals and values. Obviously, using your personal feelings to decide what's best for everyone is not sensical. On the other hand, extreme left-wingers tend to base their decisions on pure logic. This is also not always good, because if everything we do is logical, eventually people stop being human beings and simply become part of the large governmental machine. This type of thinking leads to communism, which has been proven to be a faulty system several times in the last century. I like to lean on the left side just because often times, right-wingers back up their arguements with their morals and their personal oppinions, instead of facts. |
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| shlomo_hamalech |
Calling me stupid is great if your brain can't argue and come up with counter-arguments.
How about you try that? And tell me why I am wrong?
Right wing is the way to go. We will see as time goes by who is right.
There are no lines anymore, because left-wing is so extreme today that we just throw away any 'morals' of yesterday. Why shouldn't we just go around doing anything we want? walking around naked or anything? Because we are not animals. We developed as a society and cultures, and we clothe ourselves, feed ourselves, and have developed morals to keep us at a level where it shows our intelligence.
As we levitate away from morals in todays society, where everyone wants to do their own thing, we also find a huge rise in drug use, and every other still scorned thing today. I am not going to blame drugs on liberalism, but lets be honest, where yesterday (or for thousands of years) the status quo prohibited something for whatever reason, and today we come and decide, ehh the world was full of for the last few thousand years, who are we to be so sure about it?
From what I'm seeing in the world today, there is so much diversity, but so much conformity (conforming to different groups... punks, rockers, skaters, tranceheads, crackheads, etc etc...) we are slowly taking away the individuality sensitivity that people have, and blurring it into what we see just on the outside...
I mean that we no longer are sensitive at all to anything in the world. We are blurred. It is comparable to someone who has dosed way to many E's, and finds themselves popping 5-10 pills a nite just to get a feeling they got off 1. It is much more dangerous, and back to the subject at hand, in todays world, we are only identifying someone from the outside, what we see that shines out, and we are not able to be sensitive and detect the sutlties of individuals.
This subject is hard to relate to unless you really think about for a while...
Anarchy is what exactly? As I said many times here already... Liberalism is erasing all boundaries we have set so far... So right now we are doing not-so-bad, but we all have our complaints, but imagine in the future, where everything is legal....
It used to be no kissing on tv... then no swearing... then no nudity.... then ..... and thats a poor example, but you get the just of things, that we are slowly corrupting ourselves to the core... I can't imagine how anyone can be blind enough to say thats a good thing to live in a world full of all your desires at your fingertips. Because we all know, with our desires ALWAYS at our fingertips, we grow bored. VERY FAST. And that will lead us to finding new desires, and new obsurities that we develop as desires, until..........
If u have 10 pounds of weed, you smoke even 5 pounds, and u get tired of it, u need something more... lets try coke now!.... etc etc....
how long do cokeheads last for? they eventually die off in most cases, or G_D willing they get off it, and recover!
I hope my points are clear... i hope no one makes stupid comments, and if you want to reply, please try to be intelligent in your arguments debates, i'm growing weary of these emotion wars!!!
SHLOMO ELIYAHU |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech
Calling me stupid is great if your brain can't argue and come up with counter-arguments.
How about you try that? And tell me why I am wrong?
Right wing is the way to go. We will see as time goes by who is right.
There are no lines anymore, because left-wing is so extreme today that we just throw away any 'morals' of yesterday. Why shouldn't we just go around doing anything we want? walking around naked or anything? Because we are not animals. We developed as a society and cultures, and we clothe ourselves, feed ourselves, and have developed morals to keep us at a level where it shows our intelligence.
As we levitate away from morals in todays society, where everyone wants to do their own thing, we also find a huge rise in drug use, and every other still scorned thing today. I am not going to blame drugs on liberalism, but lets be honest, where yesterday (or for thousands of years) the status quo prohibited something for whatever reason, and today we come and decide, ehh the world was full of for the last few thousand years, who are we to be so sure about it?
From what I'm seeing in the world today, there is so much diversity, but so much conformity (conforming to different groups... punks, rockers, skaters, tranceheads, crackheads, etc etc...) we are slowly taking away the individuality sensitivity that people have, and blurring it into what we see just on the outside...
I mean that we no longer are sensitive at all to anything in the world. We are blurred. It is comparable to someone who has dosed way to many E's, and finds themselves popping 5-10 pills a nite just to get a feeling they got off 1. It is much more dangerous, and back to the subject at hand, in todays world, we are only identifying someone from the outside, what we see that shines out, and we are not able to be sensitive and detect the sutlties of individuals.
This subject is hard to relate to unless you really think about for a while...
Anarchy is what exactly? As I said many times here already... Liberalism is erasing all boundaries we have set so far... So right now we are doing not-so-bad, but we all have our complaints, but imagine in the future, where everything is legal....
It used to be no kissing on tv... then no swearing... then no nudity.... then ..... and thats a poor example, but you get the just of things, that we are slowly corrupting ourselves to the core... I can't imagine how anyone can be blind enough to say thats a good thing to live in a world full of all your desires at your fingertips. Because we all know, with our desires ALWAYS at our fingertips, we grow bored. VERY FAST. And that will lead us to finding new desires, and new obsurities that we develop as desires, until..........
If u have 10 pounds of weed, you smoke even 5 pounds, and u get tired of it, u need something more... lets try coke now!.... etc etc....
how long do cokeheads last for? they eventually die off in most cases, or G_D willing they get off it, and recover!
I hope my points are clear... i hope no one makes stupid comments, and if you want to reply, please try to be intelligent in your arguments debates, i'm growing weary of these emotion wars!!!
SHLOMO ELIYAHU |
dammit this is like the third time i've replied to one of your posts in the past 10 minutes.
and i'm begining to see a trend.
You are being a hypocrite.
You are saying that we are adhering to conformity when the exact opposite is happening (I would agree with you that there are alot of kids who try so much to be different that they end up being the same as in examples of punks and whatnot, but that is insignificant).
You argue for uniform morality and that western society today has become increasingly immoral as opposed to the past.
Society adhered to conformity much more in the past that it does now.
The reason for your deterioration of "morality" is because people are starting to look outside the box and not blindly adhering to what society thinks of them.
Drugs were not made illigal because they were recognized as a strain on society and bad for it.
Look at the history of marijuana. It was made illigal for a reason to oppress the mexicans. Same deal with opium.
You seem like your really interested in world problems and issues.
You do have the ability to write rousing speeches.
So I implore you to take a closer look at some of the issues that you argue against such as different aspects of morality, and look at them without the lense of religion.
For a while forget all that you already know about it and look at it "objectivly" if thats possible, and then come understand the other views, then you can bring back your current views and compare them logicly. |
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| shlomo_hamalech |
You see... I was just like you in everyway until a year or so ago. I was living a normal life in Toronto Canada, partying like always, smoking, dosing, all that stuff. Going to university... Thinking just like everyone else. But like almost everyone today, I realize that the life we live is not fulfilling by itself, and since we need to always be taking something to change our perspectives, like weed, coke, e, whatever, I realize that by our own intellect, we are lacking something to keep us happy and satisfied. Obviously, human beings are capable of living without being high all the time, and should be capable of living happily and fulfilled on the inside. The problem however I found was that no matter where I looked, I found errors, or problems that would arise. I majored in my philosophy course on the similarity between zen buddhism and modern western philosophy. There is a slowly growing connection between the idea of oneness. How everything is being connected, as if there is 1 ultimate root source, and similarities can be found everywhere. Whatever I'm a little rusty on the topic cause It was a few years ago, and I've smoked about 1000 j's since then! But I looked to my own heritage, as a Jew, and I see the same corrolation in everything being the same. So I thought, since I look everywhere else, I might as well look to my own heritage. So I did, and it's be very rewarding...
If you want to let me know something exactly then please do. I think the only way for the world to have true peace etc is for everyone to have something ABOVE them intellectually, emotionally and every other way. I think as a man who believes in G-d, that this answer is G-d. And the only way is to for everyone to recognize there is a G-d who created the world with a purpose, to get close to G-d, and to perfect ourselves. Jewish philosophy is unbelievably intensely intellectual. If you were to read up on jewish philosophy, look at maimonides, nachmonides, artscroll, kabbalah, perki avos, (great like plato, decartes, or whoever)you would be very interested in atleast the new perspective.
This is where I approach from. I am western as you are. I have the same way of thinking, it is part of my soul. Justice, freedom, etc etc... But there must be a uniting link, that no matter how different we all are, we all recognize something similar and equal that we humble ourselves to.
This is a reallly intense and deep subject, but if you seriously look into it, i'm sure you will agree with me that it COULD work.
I see muslims and arabs everyday. It's amazing that no matter who they are, or what they look like, they are all G-d fearing people. They're views on the world are based off what they learn, so just like they are taught whatever in each country, they will act like that thinking it is what G-d wants. But G-d tells us to be logical, and the jewish approach is use your powerful intellect and brain and you be the logical one, not some preacher...
The jewish approach leads me to think about ultimate ideas...
I don't associate myself with an idea until I am sure it is correct, and if in the future I find that I may be wrong, I am swift to cast my idea's away, and not burn them into my being so that I am stuck with these stupid ideas that are flawed. Constant growth, and constant change is the way we go.
Anyways if you want to talk about this more let me know...
Shlomo |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | | I am in the middle, tending to lean on the left side. Being too far to the right is no good, because right wingers tend to base their decision on their morals and values. Obviously, using your personal feelings to decide what's best for everyone is not sensical. On the other hand, extreme left-wingers tend to base their decisions on pure logic. This is also not always good, because if everything we do is logical, eventually people stop being human beings and simply become part of the large governmental machine. This type of thinking leads to communism, which has been proven to be a faulty system several times in the last century. I like to lean on the left side just because often times, right-wingers back up their arguements with their morals and their personal oppinions, instead of facts. |
I must disagree. Left wingers don't base their decisions on logic more than right wingers. If it were so, I'd support left wingers 100%, but unfortunately, they are jsut as emotional as all the other people. Communism was faulty mainly because of Stalin. It would be interesting to see how things would have developed if somebody else was in power instead. |
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| LiquidX |
| - You know what, my teacher, whom is Jewish, he is my government teacher. He is very educated and open minded, yet realistic, I like how he talked about the palestinian and jewish case.. and he said, which surprised me and the jewish kids as well.. he even said to them, dont be surprised for what Im going to say, and just listen.. that the Jewish may be just as guilty as the palestinian.. then he talked about some agenda which got me all confused.. he also complained how the US has done nothing to help on either sides lately, and how the UN hasent done nothing either.. Just a comment on how you guys should be educated enough and face reality.. I know it could hurt you or your patriotism, but you have to really look at things from the other point of view, and not the one that you are exposed to. |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
...I know it could hurt you or your patriotism, but you have to really look at things from the other point of view, and not the one that you are exposed to. |
I am exposed to every point of view!
I'm very well read, and have taken into consideration many opinions, arguements, cases, and motives. If i believed in an opinion other than my own, I very well could hold a pretty decent conversation/debate about it. |
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| Eugene |
drewfactor, I have a question:
I want all women to walk around topless, I want to lower the drinking age to 16, I want porn on late-night ABC/NBC/CBS. Does that make me a left-winger or a right-winger? |
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