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| PeacefulWarrior |
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
07 March 2003
American military officials acknowledged yesterday that two prisoners captured in Afghanistan in December had been killed while under interrogation at Bagram air base north of Kabul – reviving concerns that the US is resorting to torture in its treatment of Taliban fighters and suspected al-Qa'ida operatives.
A spokesman for the air base confirmed that the official cause of death of the two men was "homicide", contradicting earlier accounts that one had died of a heart attack and the other from a pulmonary embolism.
The men's death certificates, made public earlier this week, showed that one captive, known only as Dilawar, 22, from the Khost region, died from "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease" while another captive, Mullah Habibullah, 30, suffered from blood clot in the lung that was exacerbated by a "blunt force injury".
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| Mental Exodus |
NObodys gona stop this from happening. There taken to underground bases on foriegn soil where noone really knows whats going on and they do EVERYthing they can to mess with em. They dont care. And quite frankly neither do I. Ive heard other news storys try to throw sympathy at these guyz and get the US to alow Supervisors in these bases to ensure there ok. WTF? FFS! STFU! OMFG. How many peace keepers and other poeple have been tortured by these guys and now they want HUMANITARIANISM!?!??!
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Jonathan Turley, a prominent law professor at George Washington University, countered that embracing torture would be "suicide for a nation once viewed as the very embodiment of human rights".
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LOL!! When was the US declared the very embodiment of human rights??
WHAT EVER DONT GET ME STARTED ON THAT.
This might be 2003 but the world aint a utopia of love and peace who the hell are we kidding!?!?! GET WITH THE PROGRAM! WAR IS WAR no way around that. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
07 March 2003
American military officials acknowledged yesterday that two prisoners captured in Afghanistan in December had been killed while under interrogation at Bagram air base north of Kabul – reviving concerns that the US is resorting to torture in its treatment of Taliban fighters and suspected al-Qa'ida operatives.
A spokesman for the air base confirmed that the official cause of death of the two men was "homicide", contradicting earlier accounts that one had died of a heart attack and the other from a pulmonary embolism.
The men's death certificates, made public earlier this week, showed that one captive, known only as Dilawar, 22, from the Khost region, died from "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease" while another captive, Mullah Habibullah, 30, suffered from blood clot in the lung that was exacerbated by a "blunt force injury".
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What kind of news source is this? I've been searching all day for a story on this among major news sources such as bbc. I haven't found anything so far. If this is indeed true taht pisses me off!!!! If true, the US military has far overstepped its boundaries as an institution/representative of our society and as Americans in general. I pride myself in the fact that we would never directly stoop to that level of human rights violations. If anybody can provide confirmation of this story that would be greatly appreciated. I love my country but this goes too far ... If nobody is brought up on charges or brought to justice I will be severly pissed. I just hope that this isn't true. |
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| Blik |
| it also was on dutch television and (I think) on BBC |
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| montie |
of course they are torturing the prisoners who are believed to hold valuable information.
war is hell.
besides they are on foreign soil in secluded military bases.
who's gonna know?
and moreover, who's gonna stop them?
bush sure as hell isn't.
also these people they are torturing didn't show any remorse when they decided to kill innocent civilians nor when they were no doubtably torturing prisoners in their wars before america got involved. (i'm not trying to justify their torture though)
i for one think the people on both sides are absolutly sick. they have their reasons, but i don't think they justify the degradation of human life. by torturing the torturers we are bringing ourselves down to their level of "being wrong"
i think that the americans who are carrying out this torture deserve to go on trial for war crimes.
but thats not going to happen. |
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| tu_face |
for that dude who said that he didnt care if they were torutured.. thats a stupid attitude to have. two wrongs dont make a right.. toture is bad. we fought against the torture of POW's in WW2, so why is it ok for the US to do it to the enemy now..????
its ing sick, and every american should be ashamed that it has come to this. |
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| JudgeJulez |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
What kind of news source is this? |
The Independent is a daily in the UK, affliated with the Guardian I think. Though liberal in bent, I think for the most part that it is credible news source. Hehehe....its actually in an analysis piece in this paper where I first heard of this "New American Century." I have done some of my own research online when reading them, and so far they've been pretty spot on. |
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| NFA |
| quote: | Originally posted by JudgeJulez
The Independent is a daily in the UK, affliated with the Guardian I think. Though liberal in bent, I think for the most part that it is credible news source. Hehehe....its actually in an analysis piece in this paper where I first heard of this "New American Century." I have done some of my own research online when reading them, and so far they've been pretty spot on. |
no. the independent is... well... independent.
it was set up in (i think) 1988 by journalists who were sick of rupert murdoch taking over the british media (including the times) and reporting everything according to his views. together with the guardian, i believe it is by far one of the best and most objective newspapers in the english language.
lets also not forget all those prisoners still kept in cages in guantanamo bay. how long has it been now? they still have not had as much as a sniff of a lawyer, and last time i read about it there had been 30 something suicide attempts. |
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| Mental Exodus |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I pride myself in the fact that we would never directly stoop to that level of human rights violations. |
LOL!@#!@$#!@#$@# AHHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMFG!!!!! LOL :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :tongue3 :eyespop: :eyespop: :happy2: :crazy: :tongue2 :tongue2
Sorry to target your pride but common. U know for a fact that your counrty would "never stoop" to that level??? I know for a fact that a country founded on slavery would and does every day. |
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| tranceaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
for that dude who said that he didnt care if they were torutured.. thats a stupid attitude to have. two wrongs dont make a right.. toture is bad. we fought against the torture of POW's in WW2, so why is it ok for the US to do it to the enemy now..????
its ing sick, and every american should be ashamed that it has come to this. |
you think they r gonna talk if u like nicely ask them dude?..man you have no clue how tough those guys are to interigate and how hard headed they are..living in the comfortable suburbs in the UK i dont think u know anything about these people ..i am originally from egypt and terrorism has effected out country deeply and i actually saw a couple of those terrorists before and if we havent used force to stop those fundementalist terror networks we would have been screwed..sometime u gotta do what u gotta do..granted it is not good but if it comes to it then there is no problem |
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| Mental Exodus |
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
for that dude who said that he didnt care if they were torutured.. thats a stupid attitude to have. two wrongs dont make a right.. toture is bad. we fought against the torture of POW's in WW2, so why is it ok for the US to do it to the enemy now..????
its ing sick, and every american should be ashamed that it has come to this. |
What other way of exctracting info would u suggest?? I dont think the army is issued feathers. Perhaps the US army should have a manditory edicate class?? And dont blame the US citizens, there in left in the dark about this whole incident. They have no idea what war is like. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mental Exodus
LOL!@#!@$#!@#$@# AHHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMFG!!!!! LOL :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :tongue3 :eyespop: :eyespop: :happy2: :crazy: :tongue2 :tongue2
Sorry to target your pride but common. U know for a fact that your counrty would "never stoop" to that level??? I know for a fact that a country founded on slavery would and does every day. |
Did you read my entire post? I was critisizing the US if we did that. I was saying that I take pride on the fact that in PRINCIPLE we don't practice that. I NEVER said we don't do that if you read my post. How do we stoop to the terrorist level and infringe on civil rights each and every day? And what does slavery have to do with anything? We're talking about events in the 21st century. |
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