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Slowing & Speeding Records Slightly... (pg. 2)
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| hey cheggy |
It depends on the tables you use. I had a go on a pair of pioneer tables and using the platter to slow down the record was a bad idea.
If you're using a decent deck, then if you're only adjusting to correct your throwing in of the track, then I suggest you leave the pitch slider alone. You've already made sure it's spot on, there's no point in making it off. Just manually bring the track in line.
As far as beat matching methods go, I think its all a matter of choice. If it works, do it. I touch the platter and the label to match and it works fine for me. I don't see why I should have to change. |
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| Alccode |
| quote: | Originally posted by Project T
using the pitch is good providing you move it back to exactly where it was which aint always so easy, imo it would be better to learn using the hands on approach then although the actual correction has more chance of going wrong, your beatmatching won't.
nevertheless, i use all methods, just what seems appropriate at the time... |
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hey cheggy
It depends on the tables you use. I had a go on a pair of pioneer tables and using the platter to slow down the record was a bad idea.
If you're using a decent deck, then if you're only adjusting to correct your throwing in of the track, then I suggest you leave the pitch slider alone. You've already made sure it's spot on, there's no point in making it off. Just manually bring the track in line.
As far as beat matching methods go, I think its all a matter of choice. If it works, do it. I touch the platter and the label to match and it works fine for me. I don't see why I should have to change.
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(EDIT: This is just how I see things, you don't have to agree with me at all.)
Interesting viewpoints - I personally disagree, though. The pitch is IMO the best way regardless.
I have a pair of Numark TT-100's, the torque is not very good, so being physical is not reliable at all. However, the pitch is also not very good! I've noticed that it doesn't really lock-in all that well as I'd like to. Technics are a lot better.
Despite this, I still advocate using the pitch, because if you can master beatmatching with a wobbly pitch, on crappier decks - and likewise if you can master aligning two records using the pitch only - then you will be very good when you move up to good decks like Technics.
I think the goal for every DJ is to spin music, to be with the crowd, to spin his set - in short, to enjoy! So there's no point spending 70% of your time hunched over a turntable, beatmatching a record so that you can have it perfectly matched. If you watch some professional DJ's, like AVB or you name it, you will notice that they don't spend a lot of time beatmatching. Hell, if you're not careful, you'll even miss the time when they beatmatch! Why? Because they are very good! After beatmatching, when they throw in a record, they move the pitch slider up-down-up, taking 2-3 seconds max, and boom, they're done. They don't spend 3 minutes beatmatching. I think that's admirable, and worth aspiring to - wouldn't you want to be as good as that? So it's worth investing time practicing a lot, thereby mastering the pitch method and mastering the technical aspects of DJ'ing.
I agree that it is difficult to use the pitch if the decks are not very good, and I also agree that it might seem more attractive to use physical force if you have good decks.
All I am saying is that you might as well go all the way and get really good at using the pitch. Trust me, it feels a lot better, it's a lot more accurate, and as a result you are confident in your mixes and beatmatching, and can spend time waving your arms or doing your DJ thing.
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P.S. Another little thing:
When using the pitch, as JohnSmith said, it's less noticeable to the crowd when you adjust the record.
No beatmatch is exactly perfect, and occasionally you will have a record going out of time. If you push it or use your hand, then it will most likely be noticeable due to the sudden change in sound: wooUUUUooo - you know the sound I mean... If you use the pitch, it's very hard to tell, from the point of view of the crowd. |
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| Alccode |
| quote: | Originally posted by str0be
Umm? Yes you can Push a cd?
That is exactly what you do with a decent CDJ! they are virtual turntables at the end of the day! |
Oh!
I don't have a lot of experience with CDJ's, with the CD decks I've used, they just have a pitch slider.
In any case what I said above still holds, at least for vinyl. In terms of CD decks, I'm willing to bet that using the pitch is still more accurate than using the jog wheel thingy or whatever the real name is. |
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| JohnSmith |
yeah, the pitch is defintely better. Fixing the error is the easy part, but where i have a problem is putting the pitch back where it was, then my mix keeps drifting, and i have to keep correcting it. that's why i prefer to touch the record.
as for it being more noticeable, it is, but only on melodic or chord parts. if it's just kicks and snares, nobody will likely notice if you touch the record.
one more tip, slowing down the record by brushing the platter is a good solution, because it reacts the same for ever record, and the needle is not likely to slip. for this reason, i try to have my tracks coming in a TOUCH faster than the outgoing. then you can always just brush a bit if you hear it's going off. this will also slightly accelerate the tempo of your mix as you go, so that's a good thing too. i wanna go mix now! |
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| str0be |
| Nah! Its called a 'Jog Dial' and u can manipulate it back and forth about x10 the amount u can with a turntable due to it eing digital. Im a 100% vinyl addict and have been for years, but the reality is that you can do things with a CDJ that u just cuddent do with vinyl. Ask any premier league DJ |
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| Rhythm |
cool thank you all for the input... ima work on my pitch beatmatching skills and see how that feels. i've also tried aligning high/mids instead of the kicks... does work better for me - takes a little getting used to. touching the platter to slow records is working nicely for me. i still use the label nearest to the spindle to speed records up if the gap is large btw beats, but ima try to master the pitch beatmatching.
thanks again everyone for your input :)
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| sebjr |
i am like you guys, trying to master the pitch control
hwen beat matching i find it faster to use my hands manually on the record to get it correct and then make fine adjustments using the pitch, this takes a max of 1 minute. then when i drop in the qued track i listen to it through the headphones to make sure its synched...then mix it in. if it starts going off i only ever use the pitch control, as said, unless its just bass, it is very obvious when you slow/speed up the record.
the problem with the pitch is its hard to get it back to the original position, so you waste a lot of time at the beginning getting it just right, and then when playing it live you screw it up straight away.
however i guess once you get good, you can quickly get it in synch again and it shouldn't take you 1 min to beatmatch anyway :) like the dude above said, the pros take like 10 secs to get it pretty much bang on and then they do other things.
the only annoying thing about not getting it 100% correct is when you are mixing it in you have to keep worrying about the beats going slightly out of time - ie less time to play with the eq's/volume to smooth it out |
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| Breeze |
| Using the pitch control is the best way. its just u have to practice like all other thinggs. it sounds better and its looks more professional when the crowd is in front of you. just look at how the pro's do it. |
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| DJ Xtronic |
2 Questions
1. Can someone fully describe the method of pitchmatching, I mean do you slide the pitch up to +1 fast and then move it back to where it was?
2. When pitchmatching, and the record is not beatmatched yet, do you also avoid any physical contact of the record or platter, when you're not mixing it live yet? |
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| sebjr |
well the way i do it when its live is
1 - try and listen to which is going faster or slower
2 - adjust record which has lowest volume, move pitch up/down (depending on what your ears tell you) keeping note of original position
3 - if it fixes double beat, quickly move pitch slider back and a tiny bit higher/lower then it was originally
the problem is if you don't get it right, it will go out of phase again and you are constantly playing with it to get right and this can sound worse then physically touching the record
all about practice really |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Xtronic
1. Can someone fully describe the method of pitchmatching, I mean do you slide the pitch up to +1 fast and then move it back to where it was?
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Yes
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Xtronic
2. When pitchmatching, and the record is not beatmatched yet, do you also avoid any physical contact of the record or platter, when you're not mixing it live yet? |
No.
When i am beatmatching the record in my headphones only, i manipulate the platter and touch the record. when it's off by a lot, it would be way too time consuming to use the pitch method. |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Xtronic
2 Questions
1. Can someone fully describe the method of pitchmatching, I mean do you slide the pitch up to +1 fast and then move it back to where it was?
2. When pitchmatching, and the record is not beatmatched yet, do you also avoid any physical contact of the record or platter, when you're not mixing it live yet? |
think of that as two cars running in different speeds, if one is apart from the other u need to slow\speed her up abit, when theyll come togather u need them in the same speed, so u put the speed in the speed u think will match the other car... get it?? |
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