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| joeh152 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
I have good friends out there. Guys who I trained with and drew blood and sweat with in the ATC. I definately DO support our troops so dont EVER spin that sort of towards me again....... are we clear? |
Just because you know people fighting doesnt mean I can't express an opinion..... do you understand this?
I don't see that someone can support troops if they want them to go to war and possibly die for another countries greed. |
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| Wicked Neo |
I am 100% against this war.
i think our reasons for being involved are false, and still as yet have to see any evidence of saddams weapons of mass destruction.
but before u go off on one at me, i support our troops over there, after all it's not thier fault they are there fighting and dieing, its the fault of the US and UK governments.
I also agree that Saddam needs to be deposed but there is many other ways of doing it than going to war with him.
I want the war ended NOW and our fighting forces back home !
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by joeh152
Just because you know people fighting doesnt mean I can't express an opinion..... do you understand this?
I don't see that someone can support troops if they want them to go to war and possibly die for another countries greed. |
You have left the point here mate. I was pissed off because you accused me of not supporting our troops (and therefore some of my mates) simply because our government was a part of US greed.
I'll break it down 4 u.
I said - support our troops
U said - The war is about US greed, if you support our troops then you care only for US greed and not our troops.
Get it? You were talking e mate. Have your opinion, I will not take that from you - or bash you for expressing one - just dont try to tell me what mine is. |
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| joeh152 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
You have left the point here mate. I was pissed off because you accused me of not supporting our troops (and therefore some of my mates) simply because our government was a part of US greed.
I'll break it down 4 u.
I said - support our troops
U said - The war is about US greed, if you support our troops then you care only for US greed and not our troops.
Get it? You were talking e mate. Have your opinion, I will not take that from you - or bash you for expressing one - just dont try to tell me what mine is. |
no, i said that if you support the troops then you wouldnt want them to die for another countries greed. |
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| Coup |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
You were talking e mate. |
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by joeh152
no, i said that if you support the troops then you wouldnt want them to die for another countries greed. |
Then you are correct. I dont want them to die. But what choice have they got? They have to follow orders, as I will when I sign on the line later this year. And I will stand with them all the way.
P.S - Coup, thought you might like that!! |
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| joeh152 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
Then you are correct. I dont want them to die. But what choice have they got? They have to follow orders, as I will when I sign on the line later this year. And I will stand with them all the way.
P.S - Coup, thought you might like that!! |
I dont care if you support them in fighting - what I do care is when you say you wanted to start something with an old anti war hippie.
You do support the war, not just the troops though. |
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| Coup |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
P.S - Coup, thought you might like that!! |
hahah, when i read it, i imagined ur voice saying it, and it cracked me up :p |
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by joeh152
I dont care if you support them in fighting - what I do care is when you say you wanted to start something with an old anti war hippie.
You do support the war, not just the troops though. |
I see. Ok then. I'll give you some flaming food. I wish that I had slapped that aged hippy bitch round the face then dragged her to see every one of our troops that have died in Iraq fighting to give her the freedom to walk around wearing ing stupid dreadlocks and smelling like protesting about it.
Yes I am a - but I love me. |
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| DaveSaenz |
Royal Marines carry one of their number from an RAF transport plane that arrived at RAF Brize Norton from the Gulf on 29, 2003. Almost 85 percent of the British soldiers killed so far in Iraq (news - web sites) have died in accidents or 'friendly fire.' Troops killed in helicopter accidents, pilots shot down by U.S. missiles, tank crews shot dead by their own side -- that has been the almost daily litany from the frontline. (Steffan Rousseau/Pool/Reuters)
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| magicsushi |
This is an extractn from the latest medialens report. Thought it might be of interest to some of you, seeing the direction this thread has taken:
While we feel sympathy for the plight of our troops we grieve for all
who die in this war - we agree with the respected political commentator,
George W. Bush, who said recently of military responsibility:
It will be no defence to say, I was just following orders." (The
Scotsman, Bush orders Saddam to flee, March 18, 2003)
We also note the view of Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the
Nuremberg trials in 1946, who said:
"The very essence of the Nuremberg charter is that individuals have
international duties which transcend national obligations of obedience
imposed by the state." (John Pilger, Disobey, March 13, 2003)
We are all human beings no one is granted special exemption from moral
responsibility, least of all people engaged in killing. Our TVs have
been full of soldiers and airmen declaring innocently: Im just here to
do a job and to do it to the best of my ability.
But killing and mutilating people in a cynical and illegal war are about
far more than just doing a job. Why do we imagine that signing a
contract and agreeing to abide by certain rules in exchange for money
means we are relieved of our responsibility as moral actors? What does
our promise to do as we are ordered mean when we are ordered to
incinerate innocent men, women and child? Which is more important our
agreement, or the burning to death of innocents? |
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by magicsushi
This is an extractn from the latest medialens report. Thought it might be of interest to some of you, seeing the direction this thread has taken:
While we feel sympathy for the plight of our troops we grieve for all
who die in this war - we agree with the respected political commentator,
George W. Bush, who said recently of military responsibility:
It will be no defence to say, I was just following orders." (The
Scotsman, Bush orders Saddam to flee, March 18, 2003)
We also note the view of Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the
Nuremberg trials in 1946, who said:
"The very essence of the Nuremberg charter is that individuals have
international duties which transcend national obligations of obedience
imposed by the state." (John Pilger, Disobey, March 13, 2003)
We are all human beings no one is granted special exemption from moral
responsibility, least of all people engaged in killing. Our TVs have
been full of soldiers and airmen declaring innocently: Im just here to
do a job and to do it to the best of my ability.
But killing and mutilating people in a cynical and illegal war are about
far more than just doing a job. Why do we imagine that signing a
contract and agreeing to abide by certain rules in exchange for money
means we are relieved of our responsibility as moral actors? What does
our promise to do as we are ordered mean when we are ordered to
incinerate innocent men, women and child? Which is more important our
agreement, or the burning to death of innocents? |
Interesting. With the above information in mind, consider the actions of Saddam Hussein against his own people, who can be classed as innocent men, women and children.
That is what this war is about - getting rid of Saddam and his regime that does the terrible things described in those quotes on a normal day basis - not in a war theatre as we unfortunately have to do it. |
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