I have the Ultra/Trance pack the Rolls and Fills pack. Both are good and useful. Easily worth the money IMO and you can do a lot with them.

If I have a complaint is that the Trance pack is HEAVY on 'clicky' fronts to the kicks. If that's your thing, no problem. But they are extremely present.

The rolls/fills pack chips up well and is a great little idea producer all on it's own. If you are good at programming drums and have a good kit assortment already, I wouldn't call it a 'must have' though.

Overall I really like their stuff (also got the Psytrance FX pack (lots of resonant goodies there) and intend to pick up all their Drum stuff eventually. Combine them with the Goldbaby tape and/or Wave Alchemy 808/909 kits and you'd pretty much have the basis for anything electronic you could need. Tweak/combine/mix/match to your heart's content.

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Originally posted by madmuso just wondering if anyone here has them and is using the zenhiser kick samples? I stumbled across their web page last night and was surprised by how cheap they are, from what i cant tell they dont sound too bad at all, still hard to tell when you are listening over the net, even the 16 bit samples seem ok. I couldnt find any info on whether the samples are taken from songs or made from scratch.

I have thier latest kicks pack and I'd describe it as okish, nothing special despite all thier enthusiastic marketing messages. Pretty Vengeancy to me.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I have thier latest kicks pack and I'd describe it as okish, nothing special despite all thier enthusiastic marketing messages. Pretty Vengeancy to me.

What are good drum packs , I'm in pursuit of few

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Originally posted by Dj_Kile What are good drum packs , I'm in pursuit of few

Wave Alchemy are my favorites.
I'd like to get hold of Metrum as Raphie suggests.

Something I've been on about for a while is where some good pros have these seemingly really small kicks, but that pack a masiive and effective punch. With the eq I have I have not been able to emulate this no matter which sample pack I start with. It's much more than just scooping out loads of mids, anyone can do that, with my EQ's this does not give the right sound (I have the SSL bundle btw).

Each time I mention this and give an example track, people claim the kick is nothing special, that you can easily get it, but I've not managed at all. Nothing in wave alchemy is as 'small' and yet pwoerful as I'm hearing in nsome pro tracks.

Here's one such kick - A/B this kick against your own productions;




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YJ_...player_embedded

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Something I've been on about for a while is where some good pros have these seemingly really small kicks, but that pack a masiive and effective punch. With the eq I have I have not been able to emulate this no matter which sample pack I start with. It's much more than just scooping out loads of mids, anyone can do that, with my EQ's this does not give the right sound (I have the SSL bundle btw). Each time I mention this and give an example track, people claim the kick is nothing special, that you can easily get it, but I've not managed at all.

I totally get what you are saying, I also after those kind of kicks

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Hi Richard,

Check Dave Pensado's vid with Manny Marriqin (spelling screwed I'm sure). He went into some detail about the concept of building the surrounding sounds to get the most impact. His basic premise was it isn't the kick per se, but the way other sounds near it help shape it.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Something I've been on about for a while is where some good pros have these seemingly really small kicks, but that pack a masiive and effective punch. With the eq I have I have not been able to emulate this no matter which sample pack I start with. It's much more than just scooping out loads of mids, anyone can do that, with my EQ's this does not give the right sound (I have the SSL bundle btw). Each time I mention this and give an example track, people claim the kick is nothing special, that you can easily get it, but I've not managed at all. Nothing in wave alchemy is as 'small' and yet pwoerful as I'm hearing in nsome pro tracks. Here's one such kick - A/B this kick against your own productions; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YJ_...player_embedded

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Wave Alchemy are my favorites. I'd like to get hold of Metrum as Raphie suggests. Something I've been on about for a while is where some good pros have these seemingly really small kicks, but that pack a masiive and effective punch. With the eq I have I have not been able to emulate this no matter which sample pack I start with. It's much more than just scooping out loads of mids, anyone can do that, with my EQ's this does not give the right sound (I have the SSL bundle btw). Each time I mention this and give an example track, people claim the kick is nothing special, that you can easily get it, but I've not managed at all. Nothing in wave alchemy is as 'small' and yet pwoerful as I'm hearing in nsome pro tracks. Here's one such kick - A/B this kick against your own productions;

Deadmau5 doesn't use samples for his kick drums. He just makes them using a synthesizer. The trick is to synthesize the sub bass yourself and then layer the sub part with a hh/white noise. Another producer who does this is Arty. You can make these kind of kicks using Sylenth1 for example.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler some good pros have these seemingly really small kicks, but that pack a masiive and effective punch.

A lot of the time the kicks are really quite simple. In fact there's not much too them except a snap and some bass. It's merely a clever trick with the sidechain compression that gives the illusion that the kick is fatter than what it really is. The energy isn't really coming from the kick, but from what the kick's doing to the rest of the track.

That deadmau5 track you posted is a perfect example. Try listening it on some tiny (laptop) speakers and you'll see/hear what I mean.

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Originally posted by Normie I have the Ultra/Trance pack the Rolls and Fills pack. Both are good and useful. Easily worth the money IMO and you can do a lot with them. If I have a complaint is that the Trance pack is HEAVY on 'clicky' fronts to the kicks. If that's your thing, no problem. But they are extremely present. The rolls/fills pack chips up well and is a great little idea producer all on it's own. If you are good at programming drums and have a good kit assortment already, I wouldn't call it a 'must have' though. Overall I really like their stuff (also got the Psytrance FX pack (lots of resonant goodies there) and intend to pick up all their Drum stuff eventually. Combine them with the Goldbaby tape and/or Wave Alchemy 808/909 kits and you'd pretty much have the basis for anything electronic you could need. Tweak/combine/mix/match to your heart's content.

hmmm, gotta check out goldbaby. I have a fair bit of the wave alchemy stuff too.