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DigiNut
You kids get off my lawn!



Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe
How to win any argument

Works from the 20th century onward:

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1. Pick controversial but tired-out political or philosophical issue {discrimination / free speech / US foreign policy / Zionism / homosexuality / war / religion}.

2. Identify own view as radical and divergent.

3. Identify opponent as being part of opposing mainstream group {whites / men / Americans / heterosexuals / Christians / atheists / right-wingers}.

4. Make sweeping generalizations about (mainstream group) that they are all too {afraid / stupid / closed-minded} to accept divergent viewpoints, while ignoring any factual evidence or logic they may present.

5. Exclaim that this is unfair and that (divergent group) should have the same {rights / recognition / freedom} as (mainstream group).

6. Urge opponent not to be a part of the big evil collective of (mainstream group) and to respect their opinion.
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Works every time! Guaranteed! The best part is, it even works when the "divergent" group is actually mainstream, as long as it has a past history of being divergent! And even if your opponent doesn't accept your argument, you still get that warm fuzzy feeling knowing that you went down fighting in a valiant attempt to save your fellow (members of divergent group).


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Old Post Jan-21-2004 14:28  Canada
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MisterOpus1
Grumpy Old Fart



Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City
My means of winning ALL arguments:

Ummm, ummmm, you're biased.


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Spin Doctor
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Outside Over There
Re: How to win any argument

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Works from the 20th century onward:

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1. Pick controversial but tired-out political or philosophical issue {discrimination / free speech / US foreign policy / Zionism / homosexuality / war / religion}.


Until a solution has been found to the problems resulting form the issues you’ve stated (homosexuality, US foreign policy etc.), they can’t be described as “tired-out”.

Old Post Jan-21-2004 19:45  United Kingdom
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ali92
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Fishtown, Philadelphia
Re: Re: How to win any argument

quote:
Originally posted by Spin Doctor
Until a solution has been found to the problems resulting form the issues you’ve stated (homosexuality, US foreign policy etc.), they can’t be described as “tired-out”.

I think what s/he means by 'tired out' is that the majority of people who hear it are tired of hearing it, even though [whatever problem] needs to be fixed.

Old Post Jan-21-2004 20:26  United Nations
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Flotser
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel

nice colors dude.


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Genesis Evolved
LFT



Registered: Oct 2003
Location: On the sofa

Crying.

It's worked for women since God knows when.

Old Post Jan-21-2004 21:03  Denmark
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DigiNut
You kids get off my lawn!



Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

quote:
Originally posted by Genesis Evolved
Crying.

It's worked for women since God knows when.

The steps above are, basically, crying (or at least whining) - just in a very long, drawn-out, rhetorical kind of way. It's an extension of "poor me" into "poor us".

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
nice colors dude.

It's all about clarity.


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Old Post Jan-21-2004 22:46  Canada
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Izzy
Virtue & Vice



Registered: Apr 2001
Location: TX TA #5
Re: How to win any argument

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Works from the 20th century onward:

----------
1. Pick controversial but tired-out political or philosophical issue {discrimination / free speech / US foreign policy / Zionism / homosexuality / war / religion}.

2. Identify own view as radical and divergent.

3. Identify opponent as being part of opposing mainstream group {whites / men / Americans / heterosexuals / Christians / atheists / right-wingers}.

4. Make sweeping generalizations about (mainstream group) that they are all too {afraid / stupid / closed-minded} to accept divergent viewpoints, while ignoring any factual evidence or logic they may present.

5. Exclaim that this is unfair and that (divergent group) should have the same {rights / recognition / freedom} as (mainstream group).

6. Urge opponent not to be a part of the big evil collective of (mainstream group) and to respect their opinion.
----------

Works every time! Guaranteed! The best part is, it even works when the "divergent" group is actually mainstream, as long as it has a past history of being divergent! And even if your opponent doesn't accept your argument, you still get that warm fuzzy feeling knowing that you went down fighting in a valiant attempt to save your fellow (members of divergent group).


you're wrong, thats not the sure way of winning any argument


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NeoPhono
Übermensch



Registered: Sep 2003
Location: In Orbit

How to win an argument on this board:

State your initial stance.

When someone rebuts your stance with reasons backed by sources:
A) Say their reply is overly opinionated or biased.
B) Say their sources are also biased or lacking credibility.

Finish with a repeat of your initial stance. Modify it subtly so that it appears you actually rethought and retooled your arguement. In your reply do not directly disprove any of the points brought against your views.

Repeat these steps until those arguing against you become frustrated to the point at which they will no longer reply.

You win.

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squirrelly
The Phun Nun



Registered: Oct 2003
Location: In the Shower

quote:
Originally posted by NeoPhono
How to win an argument on this board:

State your initial stance.

When someone rebuts your stance with reasons backed by sources:
A) Say their reply is overly opinionated or biased.
B) Say their sources are also biased or lacking credibility.

Finish with a repeat of your initial stance. Modify it subtly so that it appears you actually rethought and retooled your arguement. In your reply do not directly disprove any of the points brought against your views.

Repeat these steps until those arguing against you become frustrated to the point at which they will no longer reply.

You win.




C)Rebut them back with sources and credibility


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Izzy
Virtue & Vice



Registered: Apr 2001
Location: TX TA #5
Be Cool!

another tip:


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