There are six basic beliefs shared by all Muslims:

• Belief in Allah, the one and only one worthy of all worship.
  
• Belief in the Angels.
  
• Belief in the Books (sent by God).
  
• Belief in all the Prophets and Messengers (sent by God).
  
• Belief in the Day of Judgment (Qiyamah) and in the Resurrection.
  
• Belief in Fate (Qadar)*
  

I once heard they do accept Jesus as a Messenger, and I don't think there would be much trouble for most Christians in accepting Mohammed as a prophet as well. The rest could be logically adapted to Christian faith (and vice-versa), as long as people accepted some subtle changes.

I reckon this sounds doable. If someone actually managed to do it (and be successful, at least among moderate followers of both religions), what would the consequences be, in your opinion?
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* Shia muslims do not believe in absolute predestination (Qadar), since they consider it incompatible with Divine Justice. Neither do they believe in absolute free will since that contradicts God's Omniscience and Omnipotence. Rather they believe in "a way between the two ways" believing in free will, but within the boundaries set for it by God and exercised with His permission.

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Well another belief in Islam is that Christianity as preached by Jesus is identical to Islam preached by Mohammad. The belief goes that the Bible and the religion preached by Jesus was altered and disfigured to adapt to political and cultural needs (namely the Roman empire of the time) hence the need for other prophets to come forward. Muhammad was the last prophet because apparantly the "job was done". Amazingly enough, the Quran remains to this day unchanged and exactly as how it was revealed.

Anyways, I personally think if you can inject some rationality into everyone they would reject the notion of God and everyone would get along. It's amazing though how even the most reasonable minds can immediately abandon all rationality and believe in stories like men parting seas, walking on water, saving the world's animals on a boat from a flood, etc.

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Originally posted by razmataz if you can inject some rationality into everyone they would reject the notion of God and everyone would get along

They would get along, true, but ditching God is by no means necessary (or that "rationality" would "kill" God, for that matter).

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On a more practical level as Turkey has been granted accession status to begin talks about becoming a full member of the european union as of yesterday(this is no forgone conclusion..talks will last many years)and given that Turkey will be the first muslim country to join the EU..i think the question you pose above will be played out in a bigger arena publicly for the first time in the west..should be interesting..surprised nobody has a thread about this on pdd

christianities basic doctrine is that jesus is the only way to salvation, not mohammed. actually, mohammed isnt the way to salvation to a moslim. its following the five pillars of faith. and what ive realized is that every world religion EXCEPT christianity holds this basic doctrine. that if u follow the path, youll reach your goal. while christianity holds, drop everything and just follow jesus. there is no other path but Him. every other religion holds that if u hold the path, u can reach salvation, christianity says, there is nothing u can do on your own to reach salvation, no path to follow, but jesus. and also, jesus is different from mohammed and many other so-called prophets because he preached that He Himself was the way to salvation, not a path such as the 5 pillars of faith or the Path to Enlightenment, etc.

there are many stark differences between the two. mohammed is considered a false prophet and islam a false religion. if u were to "merge" them, you would really just be creating a new religion, and would now have 3 instead of two. i could go into biblical scripture to back up what the christian doctrine is if u want.

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Shadowolf would commit suicide.

I think this would cuase even more violence. I just dont know how religion could merge.

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Originally posted by razmataz Well another belief in Islam is that Christianity as preached by Jesus is identical to Islam preached by Mohammad. The belief goes that the Bible and the religion preached by Jesus was altered and disfigured to adapt to political and cultural needs (namely the Roman empire of the time) hence the need for other prophets to come forward. Muhammad was the last prophet because apparantly the "job was done". Amazingly enough, the Quran remains to this day unchanged and exactly as how it was revealed. Anyways, I personally think if you can inject some rationality into everyone they would reject the notion of God and everyone would get along. It's amazing though how even the most reasonable minds can immediately abandon all rationality and believe in stories like men parting seas, walking on water, saving the world's animals on a boat from a flood, etc.

Today there is one version of the quaran, unchanged since the fourth Caliph Uthman. Before him, there were numurous versions, and each had their own thing added into it, and almost every one contradicted the other. Uthman saw this, and had all but one version destroyed along with manuscripts. unlike christianity, which has many version of the bible, islam has one. but its ironic how the bible's translations dont contradict each. there has been nothing added to the bible since the Council of Carthage in the 4th century AD.

u cant say miracles dont happen. to say that would imply your have all the knowledge of the universe known to you. but because u say they dont happen doesnt mean they dont happen. there are thousands of documented, trustworthy cases of miracles happening.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Shadowolf would commit suicide.

Well, I don't know, he condemned muslims for colaborating with the nazis, but then he showed that he really likes them. So maybe that means that he actually likes muslims but is afraid to admit it. Kinda like the fact that many homophobic people are actually latent gays...

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I think this would cuase even more violence. I just dont know how religion could merge.

Yeah, if Catholic and Orthodox church who actually believe in exactly the same thing can't merge I can't possibly see how Christianity and Islam could ever merge. And I really fail to see any benefit in such a synergy. Merge two horrible ideas into one to make those ramblings even more powerful! Wow, something we really need!

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Meh, monotheism is waning as a dominant religious archetype. At this point in time we are seeing and will continue to see the struggle as a new mode of human spirituality emerges. As evolution continues to telescope I think we will see some interesting things come to pass. Having said that Its still important to study and understand monotheism in context. Judaism, Christanity, and Islam all have the same spiritual undertones and teachings. They appeal to different types of men but serve the same diety, there is no one best choice or one true religion.

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Originally posted by Zild Meh, monotheism is waning as a dominant religious archetype. At this point in time we are seeing and will continue to see the struggle as a new mode of human spirituality emerges. As evolution continues to telescope I think we will see some interesting things come to pass. Having said that Its still important to study and understand monotheism in context. Judaism, Christanity, and Islam all have the same spiritual undertones and teachings. They appeal to different types of men but serve the same diety, there is no one best choice or one true religion.

moslims worship a different god than that of christians and jews. the judeo-christian god is that of abraham, isaac, jacob, and jesus. he is personal, and keeps everything in order. He in the form of 3 persons, the trinity, father, son, and holy spirit. this is to help us better comprehend the incomprehensible. god cannot be comprehended.

the moslim god or Allah is an impersonal god. that of abraham, isaac, jacob, and mohammed. moslims believe they will never meet god, but will enjoy his paradise if they follow the 5 pillars of faith. there are some contradictions in islam such as for one example. the first moslim.

Who was the first Muslim? Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? or Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).

"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).

"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

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That is impossible. There one BIG issue that you can not get over.

Allah, a single God vs. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, a triune God.

They are all the same God but in 3 different forms. Mohommad was a prophet compared to Jesus, who was the Son of God. The Triune god will be hard to over come.

They all worship the same God. The Jews believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Musliums believe in the God of Abraham and his other son, Ishmeal, which was completed by Mohammad. The Christians believe in the fulfilment of the prophesy that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, while the Jews still wait.
They are similar in beginnings, but what they have become can not be reconciled.