Awesome, brave girl.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Awesome, brave girl.

you think she's "Rambo" brave or just regular brave?

I thought this thread is about a new movie by David Lynch, but it just about some US private. What a boring thread.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you think she's "Rambo" brave or just regular brave?

Brave for taking a stand against the blatantly obvious wartime propaganda coming out of and being ciculated by the pentagon. Brave for being honest and doing the right thing at the expense of her public image/reputation. Brave for listening to her conscience and not living a lie. So that would be regular brave, not the "rambo" myth.

___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd

WTF?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Brave for taking a stand against the blatantly obvious wartime propaganda coming out of and being ciculated by the pentagon. Brave for being honest and doing the right thing at the expense of her public image/reputation. Brave for listening to her conscience and not living a lie. So that would be regular brave, not the "rambo" myth.

sure.


i fail to see how this Guardian article is news but isn't it just more propaganda? i mean, really.

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Originally posted by Q5echo sure. i fail to see how this Guardian article is news but isn't it just more propaganda? i mean, really.

here's one that's from a different source.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18297391/site/newsweek/

or is it the story in general that bothers you?

What bothers me are the obvious parallels. From Orwell's 1984:

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He might turn the speech into the usual denunciation of traitors and thought-criminals, but that was a little too obvious, while to invent a victory at the front, or some triumph of over-production in the Ninth Three-Year Plan, might complicate the records too much. What was needed was a piece of pure fantasy. Suddenly there sprang into his mind, ready-made as it were, the image of a certain Comrade Ogilvy, who had recently died in battle, in heroic circumstances. There were occasions when Big Brother devoted his Order for the Day to commemorating some humble, rank-and-file Party member whose life and death he held up as an example worthy to be followed. Today he should commemorate Comrade Ogilvy. It was true that there was no such person as Comrade Ogilvy, but a few lines of print and a couple of faked photographs would soon bring him into existence.

Of course our Pentagon heads and civilian Admin. in charge should take the broad majority of the blame for selling this bullshit, but the lapdog media also should be shouldering a great deal of the blame as well for much of this debacle. Judy Kneepads Miller was the rule and not the exception back then.

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Of course our Pentagon heads and civilian Admin. in charge should take the broad majority of the blame for selling this bullshit, but the lapdog media also should be shouldering a great deal of the blame as well for much of this debacle. Judy Kneepads Miller was the rule and not the exception back then.

And all the people who eat it up without a second thought are equal in the blame game.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby And all the people who eat it up without a second thought are equal in the blame game.

Very true, however I'd contend that it was a combination of obvious reality (uhh, no WMDs) and the grassroots people themselves on the "internets" that have changed the message infrastructure to which these talking head media twits have been rightly exposed by their utter lack of investigative journalism. Indeed there's a very good reason why Charlie Savage of the Boston Globe won a Pulitzer on Bush's bullshit signing statements last year, as Savage's editor describes:

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"What Charlie does and the reason he won this richly deserved Pulitzer is because he covered what the White House does, not just what it says." http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ci...ins_puli_1.html

Our lapdog media has completely done away with this idea, and only recently have they begun to find their sacks that were collectively stuck so high inside their groins. Of course there's plenty of examples that demonstrate their intellectual laziness even today, and more often than not they still have such terrible difficulty with "trust but verify" thought process that's usually embedded in Journalism 101 class with their "anonymous" sources. But I think even they are tired of being duped on more than a few hundred occasions by this Administration. One can only hope.....

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...