oh look! a thread not about the middle east

anyway whos your favorite democrat or any other party for presidential candidate for 2004? also do you think bush is beatable or will he start someother shit like attacking iran or syria (PNAC!) to get more supporters

personally i like doctor howard dean, even with his temper, and wesley clark as his vp. this would get rid of the green party canidate, ralph nader, i remember him stating that if dean or kucinich are the candidates, that he would not run. the pro-life groups may hurt dean and clark, since dean has worked at planned parenthood clinics and clark is very pro-choice. throwing in clark for those people who will say that the democrats have no idea about war or too soft on it. although him retiring will probaly get the right saying he abandon his military service and is unpatriotic

heres some links to some of the candidates homepages

clark link1 link2

dean link

kucinich link

kerry link <- he reminds me of jay leno

carol link link2

graham link

sharpton link

edwards link

gephardt link <- i really dislike this guy

liberman link <- i really dislike this guy too

alot more choices


only a lil over a year left to get bush out!

I like Al Sharpton.

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Originally posted by Shakka I like Al Sharpton.

I think Howard Dean is a strong candidate. I'd like to see him win in 2004

I'd vote for Kucinich. It would be interesting to have an american president with real socialist views. Besides, his ancestry is Croatian

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I like Kerry or Clark. I don't think I'd like Dean all that much. Some of his economic ideas are somewhat unfeasible (although I do like his promotion of balanced budgets).

Admittedly I haven't really geared up for elections yet so I'm somewhat unaware of where all these candidates stand on the issues that are important to me.

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Dean for sure. No-one else really stands out from the other candidates in my opinion.

Lieberman's running for the wrong party (yet according to Fox News, he's the "only moderate" out of the bunch ) and Gephardt doesn't seem much better (though I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see more of him). I think Kerry is generally considered to be coming second in the race at the moment (with Dean coming first) and he isn't too bad. From memory, in a debate I saw where the candidates were asked about the $87 billion Bush was asking for, he and Kucinich were the only two who came straight out and said they'd be prepared to vote against it (even though everyone else was using criticism of the $87 billion bill to boost their position). I like Kucinich too. He's the only one who's really prepared to speak his mind (where the others tread more carefully for fear of upsetting anyone) but I fear he's a tad too far to the left to stand much of a chance. Nader said the Greens may not run if Kucinich gets the ticket (for fear of having two parties running under the same policies) so that should give you an idea of where Kucinich stands politically. Graham has spoken pretty well the couple of times I've seen him, but I really don't know enough about his views to comment.

I don't think any of the other candidates stand much of a chance. Mosely-Braun (sp?) seems to be running purely on the racism/sexism angle and Al Sharpton's too far out there. I've heard good things about Clark (there was talk of him running for VP under Dean if Dean got the ticket) but I don't know anything about Edwards. I think these two may have entered the race too late though.

So I hope that helps. Goooooo Dean.

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Originally posted by Renegade Dean for sure. No-one else really stands out from the other candidates in my opinion. Lieberman's running for the wrong party (yet according to Fox News, he's the "only moderate" out of the bunch ) and Gephardt doesn't seem much better (though I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see more of him). I think Kerry is generally considered to be coming second in the race at the moment (with Dean coming first) and he isn't too bad. From memory, in a debate I saw where the candidates were asked about the $87 billion Bush was asking for, he and Kucinich were the only two who came straight out and said they'd be prepared to vote against it (even though everyone else was using criticism of the $87 billion bill to boost their position). I like Kucinich too. He's the only one who's really prepared to speak his mind (where the others tread more carefully for fear of upsetting anyone) but I fear he's a tad too far to the left to stand much of a chance. Nader said the Greens may not run if Kucinich gets the ticket (for fear of having two parties running under the same policies) so that should give you an idea of where Kucinich stands politically. Graham has spoken pretty well the couple of times I've seen him, but I really don't know enough about his views to comment. I don't think any of the other candidates stand much of a chance. Mosely-Braun (sp?) seems to be running purely on the racism/sexism angle and Al Sharpton's too far out there. I've heard good things about Clark (there was talk of him running for VP under Dean if Dean got the ticket) but I don't know anything about Edwards. I think these two may have entered the race too late though. So I hope that helps. Goooooo Dean.

I also support Dean right now. He's not nearly as far left as the Repubs and their Faux News would like to paint him. Take a look at some of his issues and decide for yourself. Personally I'm not too crazy about his pro-gun stance, but I'm willing to compromise a little bit here (plus much of the pro-gun/anti-gun data seems really inconclusive to decide correctly). Provided that Kerry doesn't push ahead of him, I anticipate Dean going against Bush with Graham as his running mate. Those two together would be more than enough to overcome puppet Bush and the puppetier neocons.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I also support Dean right now. He's not nearly as far left as the Repubs and their Faux News would like to paint him. Take a look at some of his issues and decide for yourself. Personally I'm not too crazy about his pro-gun stance, but I'm willing to compromise a little bit here (plus much of the pro-gun/anti-gun data seems really inconclusive to decide correctly). Provided that Kerry doesn't push ahead of him, I anticipate Dean going against Bush with Graham as his running mate. Those two together would be more than enough to overcome puppet Bush and the puppetier neocons.

Yeah, the GOP and the right-wing media have been at Dean from the very beginning, possibly because they've recognised him as the strongest candidate. I guess they think their best chance to beat him is to make him out as some far-left liberal, when in actual fact (by global standards anyway), he's something of a centrist at best (possibly even a little over to the right). Even the other democratic candidates (Lierberman and Kerry especially) have been trying to undercut him, which is one reason I find it hard to say that Kerry's my second choice (I think he'd make a good president with pretty good policies, but he's got to make sure his campaign is a positive one rather than one based on his mild opposition to Howard Dean).

And would Graham run with Dean? I always figured that if they didn't get past this candidacy stage that was it, they wouldn't be prepared to run "under" someone else. Though I suppose, if the Dean/Clark rumours are correct, then that couldn't be right. :-/

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MmmMmmm.. Well, I didnt like Howard Dean all that much in the beginning, and I saw him as a candidate that is just screwed from the beginning, since he was all against war and didnt care what americans opinion was.. and now I see that because of his strong stand and truth to his word, never changing what he believed just to gain momentum, has made him a strong candidate now.. all of the sudden, everything seems to be running on his benefit, so overall, I like Howard Dean just by what he has showed, and how he hasent changed his posture ( against war ) since the very beginning, even in times that what he believed seemed a little off. Ive heard Richard Gephardt and I also like that guy.. Kerry I dont like, I dont know why, but i DONT like.
Clark.. looks like a cool president, but I think hes not the chosen one for this round. Overall, is between Howard Dean and Gephardt< I have to see more of this guy though.

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Kerry or Dean (assuming he can lurch back to the center), maybe (big fat maybe) Gephardt with Edwards or Clark as VP.

nice posts renegade

heres some videos of debates and speeches from some of the candidates on C-SPAN if anyone is intrested

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I'd vote for Kucinich. It would be interesting to have an american president with real socialist views.

I'd also vote for Kucinich, but with the understanding that a president with socialist views would be able to effect 0 change if he had no support in the House and Senate.

I never vote for mainstream parties because IMO the biggest problem with the American system as it exists right now is it's lack of plurality. We've got two parties which are saying nearly identical things, if we had several parties at least getting a seat here and there there would at least be hope for the US equivelent of rule by coalitions ala Parliamentary systems, thus forcing the majors to bend on issues more left or right than they're currently willing to.

Having two moderate parties with no effective voices to the left or right in office does not a healthy government make.

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