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Originally posted by Moral Hazard and how are you trying to help these people?

I've been trying to go overseas with certain organization for 4 yrs now.
So far, no luck. (My day will come though)

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Skipper Your assumption is that death is better than suffering, which is problematic because it isn't true in all cases, even when people are suffering from the same thing. The idea that people should be basically sentenced to death because of the circumstances they were born into is just not humanitarian, no matter which way you slice it. That kind of logic might have been welcome in nazi germany but not in this day and age.

My idea isn't that people should be sentenced to death, just the opposite. I'd love if there were never to be another child born in a part of the world that cannot support that child therefore no more children would be sentenced to death due to their geography. Letting them all die off would accomplish this whereas giving them just enough aid to maintain their lives does nothing but ensure future generations will be born to a life of suffering and starvation.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by EvilTree I've been trying to go overseas with certain organization for 4 yrs now. So far, no luck. (My day will come though)

While admirable I fail to see how this will convince the global community to reassess how they apportion resources.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

So, back to my story of how I became vegetarian...

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard but not all life is worth living and often death is a better option.

o rly? The greatest gift given to one is their life....and what do you know about the afterlife to make such an assumption..death being a better option...? You sound like you've been through 1st hand experience...last time I remembered...you weren't God. ALL life is worth living...there is a purpose for every existance imo.

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I'm rather surprised we don't have any vegans here. It seems to me that anyone who is concerned with the way commercial farms treat animals should (if they are being intellectually honest) fall into this catagory rather then vegitarian. I mean really, what is the point of not eating meat if you will wear their skin or "enslave" them form milk or eggs?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I'm rather surprised we don't have any vegans here. It seems to me that anyone who is concerned with the way commercial farms treat animals should (if they are being intellectually honest) fall into this catagory rather then vegitarian. I mean really, what is the point of not eating meat if you will wear their skin or "enslave" them form milk or eggs?

I can't speak for anyone else but all of my dairy consumption is free range organic.... and I don't consume that much either.

As for leather, that is a minimum too... I have leather shoes on today but my closet is 50/50 leather/pleather. The day that the demand for leather outweighs the demand for meat, leather will be removed from my wardrobe.

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Originally posted by Cribby o rly? The greatest gift given to one is their life....and what do you know about the afterlife to make such an assumption..death being a better option...? You sound like you've been through 1st hand experience...last time I remembered...you weren't God. ALL life is worth living...there is a purpose for every existance imo.

What is the value of a life that only consists of pain and suffering to the sufferer?

We view life as a great gift because our lives are relatively comfortable and full of joy, to those who's lives are not comfortable and devoid of joy it does not seem like such a gift. As far as my views on the afterlife goes; I have no knowledge, only believe and my beliefs are inconsequential to this discussion as my compassion is shaped by their lives not their deaths.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by English Rachel I can't speak for anyone else but all of my dairy consumption is free range organic.... and I don't consume that much either. As for leather, that is a minimum too... I have leather shoes on today but my closet is 50/50 leather/pleather. The day that the demand for leather outweighs the demand for meat, leather will be removed from my wardrobe.

Thanks for the answer. So if I read correctly; wearing leather is alright because the animals are being killed for human consumption anyway, correct? Infering from that, eating meat is bad but so long as people do it you are not opposed to consuming the waste products of said consumption thereby indirectly supporting it, would this also be correct? Do you not see an inconsistancy in this position?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

actually Rach, don't answer my latest question as it's really none of my business to question you. I've been having fun here being a contrarian but I think I may be a little out of bounds. Forgive me.

As much fun as I've had I doubt many if any of you will subscribe to or even see some validity in my beliefs so I will stop now. I am glad, however, that a healthy discussion was had..... and no one resorted to personal insults.... that's cool for a change.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard We view life as a great gift because our lives are relatively comfortable and full of joy, to those who's lives are not comfortable and devoid of joy it does not seem like such a gift.

The very fact that most of those who suffer aren't ending their own lives shows evidence that, despite their suffering, there is something to live for.

If an individual decides their life is worth living, then you of all people certainly don't have the ability to declare otherwise.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Thanks for the answer. So if I read correctly; wearing leather is alright because the animals are being killed for human consumption anyway, correct? Infering from that, eating meat is bad but so long as people do it you are not opposed to consuming the waste products of said consumption thereby indirectly supporting it, would this also be correct? Do you not see an inconsistancy in this position?

No, no, I'll answer you hun. Being vegetarian a LONG time before it was cool (and getting picked on A LOT at school for it), I have a comeback for everything, trust me.

Whenever you undertake a belief, you have to set your own guidelines and follow them. 23 years ago, I made a decision that I wouldn't put anything animal or animal-derived IN my body, ON my body was more difficult but now pleather is more available, you can rest assured, that is the way I am heading

I understand what you are saying about ending people's suffering, really I do but I hope for the day that politics and corruption folds and these people get the aid and assistance that they deserve. Life is precious and as much as suffering is pain, I can't help feeling that pain+hope>death

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