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PeacefulWarrior
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Boulder, Colorado

Perhaps a bit of an extreme comparison but still somewhat enlightening. (source: Adbusters May/June 2003)

I don't believe there's many shades of gray in this war. You're either with us or against us; you're either evil or you're good.
-Goerge W. Bush

Today the Swastika forces the world to take a position for or against us. The world must decide; it has no choice.
-Robert Ley

The United States and other nations did nothing to deserve or invite this threat, but we will do everything to defeat it.
-Goerge W. Bush

This war is a defensive war. It was forced upon us by our enemies, who wish to destroy the possibility of life and growth for our nation.
-Joseph Goebbels

This nation and our friends are all that stand between a world at peace and a world of chaos.
-Goerge W. Bush

We are the ones fighting for order, for a soultion to the crisis and the avoidance of anarch.
-Adolf Hitler

There's still an enemy lurking around which hates America. And they hate us for what we love.
-Goerge W. Bush

They hate our people because it is decent, brave, industrious, hardworking and intelligent. They hate us as a REich and as a community.
-Joesph Goebbels

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.
-Hermann Goering


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DrUg_Tit0
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Zagreb, Croatia

quote:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials





quote:
“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.” -- Julius Caesar is attributed with offering this.


From www.snopes.com

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been seeing this "quote" on the Internet since December 2001, sometimes attributed to Julius Caesar, sometimes to William Shakespeare (presumably lifted from his play, Julius Caesar). Throughout the summer of 2002 it gained popularity, appearing in countless posts to newsgroups and even surfacing in various letters to editors in a handful of newspapers.

Its popularity is not hard to understand: The USA has been embroiled in a war against terrorism far across the world and is contemplating war with Iraq, and the latter action, especially, has been the subject of much debate and dissension within America. This telling observation from Caesar appears to offer yet another valid reason for not yelling "Our leader; right or wrong!" and blindly following the President into war. It is therefore a favorite of those who'd rather sit this dance out, thankyouverymuch.

Yet as popular as the quote is, it's not real. These words are not anything Julius Caesar ever wrote or said. No biographies of Caesar or histories of Rome contain these lines, and scholars who have made it their business to know everything about the man draw a blank on this quote. Likewise, Shakespeare did not stuff this soliloquy into the mouth of the title character in his play Julius Caesar, nor did any of the Bard's other characters utter it. No record of this quote has been found prior to its appearance on the Internet in late 2001.

So what's going on here, then?

As Ralph Keyes explains in Nice Guys Finish Seventh, his compendium of misattributed and false quotes, "Famous dead people make excellent commentators on current events." The dead do not reappear to challenge words assigned to them, an attribute much prized by those looking for convenient spokesmen to lend authority to their convictions. This "quote" called for a strong and respected military leader and statesman, hence Caesar was resurrected to give it voice.

Barbara "great Caesar's ghost!" Mikkelson

Sightings: On 29 September 2002, Barbra Streisand used the spurious quote during a speech she gave at a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Gala given in Hollywood. Political cartoonist Paul Conrad also used it as the basis for his cartoon of 29 September 2002.


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Registered: May 2003
Location: Out of my mind ... Get back to me in five minutes.

"how fortunate for our government that the people we administer do not think"
- adolf hitler

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Alccode
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

quote:

"...the essence of the evil government is that it anticipates bad conduct on the part of its citizens. Any government which assumes that the population is going to do something evil has already lost its franchise to govern. The tacit contract between a government and the people governed is that the government will trust the people and the people will trust the government. But once the government begins to mistrust the people it is governing, it loses its mandate to rule because it is no longer acting as a spokesman for the people, but is acting as an agent of persecution."
-Philip K. Dick


I love this one. Special prize if you identify the source.

Contrast the above quotation with this one: (from an interview)

quote:

"The best thing about being the President is that I have to answer to no one. I can do whatever I want."
-George W. Bush


That is actually a paraphrase, but 90% accurate in wording. When I first read it, after I got over the shock and anger, I thought, "No, you very much have someone to answer to!! You must answer to the Sovereign, the People!" Especially when the most powerful country in the world is concerned. You can't just do whatever you want!!

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occrider
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: New York

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
That is actually a paraphrase, but 90% accurate in wording. When I first read it, after I got over the shock and anger, I thought, "No, you very much have someone to answer to!! You must answer to the Sovereign, the People!" Especially when the most powerful country in the world is concerned. You can't just do whatever you want!!


I'm pretty sure you're taking the quote out of context. I read this somewhere as well and I think the reporter's question was something offbeat.

At any rate we can pretty much take anybody's sayings, and by selectively cutting parts out make them look like a buffoon.


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fuct4less
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Registered: May 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
That is actually a paraphrase, but 90% accurate in wording. When I first read it, after I got over the shock and anger, I thought, "No, you very much have someone to answer to!! You must answer to the Sovereign, the People!" Especially when the most powerful country in the world is concerned. You can't just do whatever you want!!


youre right. hitler had the same mindset and sadly many other polititians are that way too.

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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Kamloops

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Alccode
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

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Originally posted by occrider
I'm pretty sure you're taking the quote out of context. I read this somewhere as well and I think the reporter's question was something offbeat.


I got it in its entirety, as it I posted it. It might very well have been taken out of context in the original source, though. I can't remember where I found it so I can't say how likely it was/wasn't. It probably was.

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