I think it's really quite sad, especially when you think of the size and complexity of the Trance scene, that so many famous DJ's can get so far without having a lot of real musical talent...

I guess Trance songs that didn't seem very musical always never got me going, which I think might be why I am only 'halfway-sorta-kinda' into this scene...

I don't know if this is particularly true, but to me it just doesn't really seem to matter. As a matter of fact, I tend to appreciate musicians who has had no formal background prior to making it big. I think they retain a certain level of humility even after they get famous because of that which I respect.

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Originally posted by Gluegun I think it's really quite sad, especially when you think of the size and complexity of the Trance scene, that so many famous DJ's can get so far without having a lot of real musical talent... I guess Trance songs that didn't seem very musical always never got me going, which I think might be why I am only 'halfway-sorta-kinda' into this scene...

Yeah...it is kinda sad that trance isn't that musically talented...but it's so addictive. 99% of trance is just repetitive synth sounds over and over again...that..at times...can get old.

what kind of BS story is that

You either have a feel for music or you don't

You can teach a musical dimwit to play the guitar. That doesn't mean he will ever be able to compose music.

Some people are very musically talented and don't play an instrument. Why shouldn't this be possible? If you don't have any feeling for it, you can't make AvB tracks.

Even if AvB doesn't play the piano, or guitar, or the digeridoo, his tunes tell me that he has a feel for music (he damn well better have, it's his living!)

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i play guitar.. all i can say is yes.. it does help.. to a certain extent.. with music, you either got it or you dont, it all comes down to talent.

[EDIT] LOL Pjotr i just saw your post above mine after i posted it and i found it funny how similar they are [/EDIT]

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i think the ability to compose music requires 2 things:

1.A musical talent or ability
2. Creativity.

I just personally would like to see a trance artist come out and be able to play an instrument very well...because that's what music is all about.

I've also thought what if there could be a whole new breed of emotive dance music that isn't quite as monotonous as trance, but has ever-changing notes and chordes that don't repeat so frequently. The follow a more jazz musician style or a classical music style, but still stands emotive and artistic.

I don't know...it's just a thought..and it's probably possible.

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Originally posted by Great Outdoors I don't know if this is particularly true, but to me it just doesn't really seem to matter. As a matter of fact, I tend to appreciate musicians who has had no formal background prior to making it big. I think they retain a certain level of humility even after they get famous because of that which I respect.

I appreciate that too, but you don't have to have formal background to have musical talent.. you either HAVE it, or you DON'T, you know??

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Originally posted by Pjotr G what kind of BS story is that You either have a feel for music or you don't You can teach a musical dimwit to play the guitar. That doesn't mean he will ever be able to compose music. Some people are very musically talented and don't play an instrument. Why shouldn't this be possible? If you don't have any feeling for it, you can't make AvB tracks. Even if AvB doesn't play the piano, or guitar, or the digeridoo, his tunes tell me that he has a feel for music (he damn well better have, it's his living!)

agreed, very true. just because someone can't play the piano, doesn't mean he's not musically talented. I know people who have been playing piano since they were small, but wouldn't be able to write a song if their life depended on it. On the other hand, I know people who don't know how to play any instruments, but they are very creative, and have a sense of rhythm, and melody, and have the potential to compose music.

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i've been playing the piano for 13 years now, trombone for 10 years, guitar for 2 years. I'd say i have some musical talent, but I don't think that's enough to be making really great tracks. i don't think i have production skills, and it takes both to make a good track.

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i'm taking a class on my university next year (University of Maryland - College Park --- NCAA National Champs in case you have no idea about Maryland ) called "Applications in Music Technology".

Here's the class description:

"A hands-on study of computer hardware and software which makes use of the MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) specification. This protocol allows computers, synthesizers and various other devices to send and receive information about musical performance, notation and sound. The course focuses on two of the most frequently used applications on MIDI-sequencing and music notation."

Only 16 spots in the class too! I had to convince the professor that I want to pursue a Music Citation for him to override my registration and let me sign up for this class. Each student gets a Apple g4 and a midi keyboard in a lab to produce music for 3 hours a week for a whole semester! Should be amazing.

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Originally posted by Pjotr G Some people are very musically talented and don't play an instrument. Why shouldn't this be possible? If you don't have any feeling for it, you can't make AvB tracks. Even if AvB doesn't play the piano, or guitar, or the digeridoo, his tunes tell me that he has a feel for music (he damn well better have, it's his living!)

Although I agree with that to a certain extent, I still think that many Trance artists (including AvB) are not natural-born musicians.

How often does AvB release new tunes or remixes? In the Trance world, an artist usually releases a single tune and remixes a few, in the span of a year or maybe half-a-year. Can you compare that with albums (each having 10-12 songs) released regularly by rock-music artists and bands, for example? Take anything other than Electronica, and you get famous groups and their albums (released on CDs).

The problem also seems to be that it's not the artists who become famous, it's the DJ's. Therefore, the public expects these famous DJ's to contribute some music. But mixing somebody else's work and writing your own are two different things, and many DJ's write inferior music because they don't have much talent.

Another thing to consider: Many rock- and pop-music artists who we believe have "musical talent" do live shows, concerts, and tours; their songs are actually called "songs" because they have lyrics. None of this applies to Trance. Most artists are very obscure "one-hit wonders." Singing/performing live doesn't apply to Electronica, either.

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Originally posted by Eugene Singing/performing live doesn't apply to Electronica, either.

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and since when does a piece of music need lyrics to be called a song?

Also I don't really think a rockband writes more songs than an electronic music artist...usually more than a year between albums.

And one-hit wonders...as if they don't exist in pop/rock?

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