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Originally posted by tiesto14 Yes i live in fear....as a matter of fact i live in a bomb shelter with my tin foil hat wearing a bullet proof jacket and a wet suit in case terrorists blow up a dam.......i also have a radar station in my shelter which tells me if any aircraft come near me so i can dive under my bunk gripping my helmet nice and tight.

Sucks to be you

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Originally posted by tiesto14 George Smiley's World (cus i know he will bring the Jews in sooner or later) Jews killed Christ for purposes of eradicating Christendom and establishing a Talmudic pan-Judaism. The plagues that ravaged Medieval Europe were the result of Jewish mass poisonings of Christians.................

I must say, plageurism is a bit unbecoming. The least you could do is cite your rant:

http://www.downloadfreetrial.com/bo...rys-future.html

Straw man arguments aren't very pretty either. I do have to agree a little bit with George on this one - you do tend to create a ghost-like argument from the other side, then proceed to beat it down as if your debator held that argument in the first place. I think you're placing George a bit too far into the conspiricist corner, which is a bit unfair at this point.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Sucks to be you

ya its a real bitch lemme tell ya...i get kind of lonely down in this bunker...but at least i will be safe when the next attack happens...cus the next one, according to FOX news, will be a doozie...it might even wipe out western civilisation...but thats ok i am down here and i CAN repopulate America....i have actually came up with a plan before coming down here...i brought bunny rabbit eggs from a female bunny...i plan on using my sperm and bunny eggs to create a new human being...well a new human bunny....which is good because i dont think bunnies get the attention they deserve anymore....so the new world will be amazing.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I must say, plageurism is a bit unbecoming. The least you could do is cite your rant: http://www.downloadfreetrial.com/bo...rys-future.html Straw man arguments aren't very pretty either. I do have to agree a little bit with George on this one - you do tend to create a ghost-like argument from the other side, then proceed to beat it down as if your debator held that argument in the first place. I think you're placing George a bit too far into the conspiricist corner, which is a bit unfair at this point.

I never said it was mine...it just sounds better saying it that way...then saying from another persons...

but thats cool..u wanted to look smart for knowing the source

George IMPLIED Bin Laden was jus a cash man....which is not true...i created no straw man.

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Originally posted by George Smiley I have never said bin Laden or "al-Qaida" weren't involved, I said they didn't come up with the plan, they merely financed it. Nothing you have said has countered that.

And nothing u have said has backed up your thoughts that he only financed it and NOTHING else.

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And u are still wrong by saying Sheik Mohammed WASNT the 3rd guy in Al Qaeda...because he WAS!!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 And u are still wrong by saying Sheik Mohammed WASNT the 3rd guy in Al Qaeda...because he WAS!!!!

Ok well who says Sheik Mohammed is their number 3? Those news papers you quoted? And where did they get their information from? All I am doing is presenting an alternative theory of al-Qaida (constructed by experts) that is different to the one the US government (and others) pushes on us. Dont you even find it a little bit interesting that experts are challenging what your government is telling you? I would find it pretty sad if you didn't...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 And nothing u have said has backed up your thoughts that he only financed it and NOTHING else.

But you have failed to either watch or comment on the documentary I posted so why should I provide any more information when you dont even do the courtesy of examining what has alread been presented to you?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I never said it was mine...it just sounds better saying it that way...then saying from another persons...

It is a bit of courtesy to post links to your material when used. Intellectual honesty is nice to have, esp. here in the PDD when making an argument. I realize you're merely being a bit facetious when posting such a rant from someone else (and then subbing in George's name), but it does further demonstrate that you are creating a straw man fallacy against George in doing so, all kidding aside.

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but thats cool..u wanted to look smart for knowing the source

Anyone can Google - nothing "smart" about that really. As for my looks, well admittedly I could use all the help I can get in that category, so looking "smart" could help I suppose.

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George IMPLIED Bin Laden was jus a cash man....which is not true...i created no straw man.

He hasn't actually implied bin Laden being more or less a cash man - he's directly come out and said pretty much just that. This was not what I was addressing, however. Rather, this was:

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but u IMPLY he wasnt very much involved and shouldnt be a concern to authorities.

Which George said or implied nothing of the sort. What George did actually state was this:

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Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying he was not involved cos he clearly was, and I'm not saying it was wrong to take him out, cos he is clearly a danger, but my objection is t the notion of what al-Qaida is (or isn't). And it isn't an international network of terrorists. There are terrorist cells in most countries, probably planning attacks - but these are not al-Qaida cells, they are all individual cells (some of whom may very well ask bin Laden for financing)

So let's all take a deep breath and try to address each other's arguments at hand. Deal?

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I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
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Originally posted by tiesto14 ya its a real bitch lemme tell ya...i get kind of lonely down in this bunker...but at least i will be safe when the next attack happens...cus the next one, according to FOX news, will be a doozie...it might even wipe out western civilisation...but thats ok i am down here and i CAN repopulate America....i have actually came up with a plan before coming down here...i brought bunny rabbit eggs from a female bunny...i plan on using my sperm and bunny eggs to create a new human being...well a new human bunny....which is good because i dont think bunnies get the attention they deserve anymore....so the new world will be amazing.

might as well hide in a cave and watch fox news (because you know they never lie) all day

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Originally posted by George Smiley Ok well who says Sheik Mohammed is their number 3? Those news papers you quoted? And where did they get their information from? All I am doing is presenting an alternative theory of al-Qaida (constructed by experts) that is different to the one the US government (and others) pushes on us. Dont you even find it a little bit interesting that experts are challenging what your government is telling you? I would find it pretty sad if you didn't...

Every news source in the world says he was number 3...i am sure everyone here would agree with me on AT LEAST that. I even posted a link to the BBC who said he was...and u seem to trust the BBC.

I understand what u are trying to say....and yes it makes sense...but to be honest i think all of these nut jobs should be gathered up...call them Al Qaeda, The Base or anything else...they are a threat to civil societies.

Even if Bin Laden was just a financier he is still GUILTY...so it really makes no difference if he planned it or payed for it...he still needs to come down...along with the rest of these idiotic dipshits who think they will go to paradise if they do this or that.

And no, i do not beleieve everything my government tells me, nor do i beleive every book i read (yes i do read lol) and no i dont beleive every documentrary i see because EVERYONE has their own ajenda...whether it is to further their politcal career, get more oil, become famous or sell a shit load of books.

Personally i gave up caring.....too much hype over it all...two thing i do know is, one,this world is majorly fucked...and, two, i cant do a thing about it.

All the ranting and raving Chomsky aka looney boy, Zinn aka sick bastard and Moore aka fat boy have done has brought zero results....the world will alway be fucked...i jus live in my little space and hope no one fucks with mine.

And to be honest...if what u say is true about Bin Laden, why is that Al Jazeera hasnt come out and made major remarks against what American gov. says? YOu would think they would. Just a thought.

Anyway...like i said...u could be right or you could be wrong...but does it change a damn thing? And please save the rheotic that if everyone cared then the world would be better or all that every vote count bullshit.....i have lived 30 years on this planet...and i have never seen anyone with the "TRUTH" make a shit of difference in the way things go down.

There will always be sickos in this world...there has been the begining of time and nothing will chnage that...and certainly not some BBC documentrary or kids on a trance site who claim to know the truth because they tripped upon the truth while trolling the internet. You dont know the truth, Opus doesnt know the truth, Renegade doesnt know the truth, OCC doesnt know the truth and i sure as shit dont know the truth of what shit happens behind the scenes....and to be honest i gave up trying to find it...it too damn depressing and i got better shit to do....

I used to be all into this crap, till i realized life is too damn short to worry....i live my life the best i can and dont hurt other people and thats all that anyone could ask for.

Sorry for flaming ya...i knew what u meant the whole time...it was jus a rainy day here and i felt like fucking with u all day...lol...sorry...

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