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Originally posted by King Ecnal edit: Oh and Juice, Willie Mays is and always will be... an ASSHOLE, so I NEVER include him in anything, I can't stand the guy, I wish he would just leave baseball... he reminds me of another guy in a Giants uniform who is an ahole too....

any reason why?

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[11:58] Bas //: fuck he's hot

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Originally posted by verndogs any reason why?

Yeah... lots... He is full of himself, like someone mentioned. I can't count on one hand how many times I've seen him pissy while being interviewed, he is a VERY irritable OLD man during interviews and such, HE only seems happy when he's on the camera and NOT being interviewed, Stuttering John interviewed him YEARS ago and he got all pissy and shit, and theres no need for that, its all good fun, he's black and very angry, obviously because Ted Williams got all the limelight before he croaked... he's NO Hank Aaron thats all I'm saying, Willie Mays is a jerk...

and for the LOVE of GOD, Defense is over-rated... my friends used to call me "EDMONDS IN THE OUTFIELD" cause I could play defense, if I can do it, anyone can... all you need is wheels, and you can track down any ball.... Willie Mays dazzling catch, big F'n deal... anyone could do that... seriously...

and Shamez is right, BONDS > MAYS... in the AHOLE category and Overall better player!!!

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he's no hank aaron 'cuz hank aaron is the most overrated professional athlete ever.

now why do you say that? he is in the top 5 in hits, home runs, total bases, rbis, and extra base hits.

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because it took him 23 full seasons to do it. Sure, he was remarkably consistent, but I'd rather go with somebody who had 5 unbelievable years than somebody who chugged out 10 great ones.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous because it took him 23 full seasons to do it. Sure, he was remarkably consistent, but I'd rather go with somebody who had 5 unbelievable years than somebody who chugged out 10 great ones.

if we would go by these standards, curtis martin and patrick ewing will never make the Hall of Fame.

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not like we can compare martin and ewing to aaron.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous because it took him 23 full seasons to do it. Sure, he was remarkably consistent, but I'd rather go with somebody who had 5 unbelievable years than somebody who chugged out 10 great ones.

.305/.374/.555 37 HRs 113 RBI 107 Runs.

He AVERAGED that over his career. And I don't think many people overrate him at all. He's rarely talked about in any capacity besides the 755 home runs. If he didn't do that, and only had, let's say, 680 Home Runs, no one would ever talk about him.

well i have to say this. anyone "pre-steroids era" who can hit .300+ 35 +hrs 100+ rbis consistently is pretty good.

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I'm not saying he shouldn't be in the hall of fame, so the martin/ewing comparison doesn't apply. He's not one of the top 5 greatest players of all-time, though, imo, simply because he didn't have the truly spectacular seasons that those guys had, and, to me, greatness is more about the absolute limit of someone's talent than it is his totals for a career. If that wasn't the case, to counter your argument, Gale Sayers wouldn't be in the hall of fame.

Just can't ever think anyone can say Barroid is better than Mays because he juiced for the last 9 years. Barroid would have at least 100 less HR's in my estimation. His slugging % pre 1999 was around a little over .600% and after it's over .800%. Sorry, but juicers aren't gonna cut it. If that holds, than Sosa was the ultimate guy with THREE 60 homer years.

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1999 All-Century Team

The Team

Pitchers

* Nolan Ryan (992,040 votes)
* Sandy Koufax (970,434)
* Cy Young (867,523)
* Roger Clemens (601,244)
* Bob Gibson (582,031)
* Walter Johnson (479,279)
* Warren Spahn* (337,215)
* Christy Mathewson* (249,747)
* Lefty Grove* (142,169)

Catchers

* Johnny Bench (1,010,403)
* Yogi Berra (704,208)

First Basemen

* Lou Gehrig (1,207,992)
* Mark McGwire (517,181)

Second Basemen

* Jackie Robinson (788,116)
* Rogers Hornsby (630,761)

Third Basemen

* Mike Schmidt (855,654)
* Brooks Robinson (761,700)

Shortstops

* Cal Ripken, Jr. (669,033)
* Ernie Banks (598,168)
* Honus Wagner* (526,740)

Outfielders

* Babe Ruth (1,158,044)
* Hank Aaron (1,156,782)
* Ted Williams (1,125,583)
* Willie Mays (1,115,896)
* Joe DiMaggio (1,054,423)
* Mickey Mantle (988,168)
* Ty Cobb (777,056)
* Ken Griffey, Jr. (645,389)
* Pete Rose (629,742)
* Stan Musial* (571,279)


Oops.............Where's Barry Bonds? 1999 what? The year he was beginning to juice? Nuff said. Game set match.

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well if the baseball hall of fame panel can ban pete rose from being inducted into the hall of fame, because of his gambling issues, i am sure they will ban barry bonds from the hall of fame.

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