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Originally posted by bass.exe OR alternatively grind up some pills and mix them into the keg...

see this was gonna be my suggestion

See if you can find any doors remixes.. One track that comes to mind is The Light - Opium for the masses (or it might be called distant place) <-- it has a sample of the doors in it. A buddy of mine (who is also a TA -- Jethro) spun another doors track yesterday. Also, might want to try the Bob Marley - Sun is shining remixes.

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Originally posted by Special_K Ok well first of all i get payed gigs on a regular basis and i have been involved in promotion in Vancouver for over 5 years so imnot just talking out of my ass. When your at the point where promoters are paying you to play at a gig You will know what style they are promoting at their nights.

Agreed.

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I could get aproached by almost any promoter in the city and i would have a general idea of what kind of music their night plays. And to be honest if a "Dumbass promoter" came up to me and didnt know the diffrence between trance and funky house then their night is going to be so pissant that i wouldnt play anyway.

Okay. In Vancouver (I live near Sacramento, California), how is the scene for other underground electronic genres? D 'n b, Hardcore, trip-hop, whatever.

There are many, many events in the Bay Area around here that are sort of "combination" gigs. D 'n b, trance, house, hip hop, rock, etc, all in one night. Well, occasionally one of those genres ends up at the promoter's forefront. He wants to bring in, let's just say, drum 'n bass. And he has a STACKED d 'n b lineup, with some great local names. He also has a decent line up of hip-hop to go before them.

And then he wants a "house" DJ. Between a ROCK BAND and the HIP HOP SEGMENT. And he's trying to bring in a more underground crowd, so he isn't looking for Sandstorm. So I get the gig when I meet the guy for the first time. He has never heard me play, but I come "recommended" from a couple people he knows.

I discover very quickly that his idea of "house" ranges from Richard Humptey Vission to Yoji Biomehanika. He just sort of expects the "house DJ" to know what the crowd wants.

Well, I'm not an idiot. In-between a rock band and hip hop? Leading up to drum 'n bass? My function is to keep the soup hot before the OTHER GUYS get to serve it.

Translation: Keep people from walking away at the door. Probably the last thing a die-hard d 'n b/hip hop fan wants to hear as they're purchasing their ticket at the door is "BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM AS THE RUSH COMES AS THE RUUUUUSH COMES *SUPERSAW*."

So I'm 90 minutes of filler in front of a polyrhythmic crowd. It won't help me or my reputation to clear a dancefloor because I just HAVE to drop "Beautiful Things."

So I let the promoter know: I'm playing breaks. It's mellow, polyrhythmic, and most importantly, stable. People don't kick in speakers because of breaks. And the plus side, I can easily dive into prog house/trance, or even some epic and melodic trance. The promoter agreed, and agreed with my reasoning. In fact, he's glad that I have an opinion on how to make his night better.

Now, I could have treated the gig as an insult to my artistic style. I mean, asking me to play house in front of a d 'n b crowd? What the fuck is the point of that, right? It's crimping my style.

That is, if I defined my DJing style by the records I play. I don't. I define my style with HOW I PLAY THEM. Plain and simple. And I like many kinds of music. Why shouldn't I mix them all? So far, the only boundary is money (I can't afford every genre's records). You seem to be suggesting that it's "fucking stupid" to be able to play multiple genres. (I guess James Zabiela is "fucking stupid" for learning turntablism on a hip-hop slant. His style is SOOO compromised...)

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If you play trance and you accept a booking to play a hip-hop night you're a fucking idiot. this original post isnt THAT bad cause its a highschool dance and your ganna have your friends around so you coulsd pull it off.

Because it's such a bad thing to be able to stand in front of ANY crowd, ANYWHERE, and FUCK SHIT UP. Because it's such bad experience to play monthly hip-hop gigs, and weekly drum 'n bass gigs. There's no skills that can be applied to trance. Nope.

Tell it to Z-Trip, St. John, DJ Craze, or any number of skilled DJs who can blow the roof off of a disco, 80's, or 90's rap crowd.

Note: I'm not suggesting that people who don't play multiple genres at will are bad DJs. You're suggesting that people who DO, ARE.

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Well, I'm not an idiot. In-between a rock band and hip hop? Leading up to drum 'n bass? My function is to keep the soup hot before the OTHER GUYS get to serve it.

dnb has a vast range in style though. but i agree very much with this statement. people turn up to events cuz they like the headliners on the flyer. i mean, you could probably get away with hybrid's symphony or hybrid's mix of expander, float it into some chilled drum and bass and theres 90% of time always someone who could go on afterwards who will gladly plunge the dnb into filth and rudeness for a middle of the night grime-a-thon. but i suppose it depends on what everyone else is playing and where you see it leading.


ive seen some crowds clear the dancefloor when theres a very sudden change in the tone and tempo of the music for any length of time. we could really have used someone keeping the soup hot on those occassions. eheh

So heres what happened:

DAMN! Rap is slow as hell! I couldn't find a song slow enough! That freshman wouldn't play anything faster to speed it up for me.
But since I couldn't really do anything about it, I just went right into my stuff. When I got to the site they told me there was no room for my turntables. So I had to get out my CD collection-which is considerably worse than my vinyl collection.

Anyway, heres the tracklist- I didn't really know what to do but I guess people were OK with what I did except for a few songs. All the songs were cut into 2-5 minute segments with no breakdowns [I had to use 2 copies of the same song on 2 CDs to skip breakdowns]. I can't mix worth a damn on a CD box so it was kinda like "blind mixing" [if thats the correct terminology.

1. Darude- Sandstorm [Played it from the second fill]
2. Paul Oakenfold- Dream of Trance
3. Voodoo and Serano- Blood is Pumping [Some people complained that it was too repetitive]
4. Ferry Corsten- Rock Your Body Rock [Got some thumbs up so I played the whole thing]
5. Rammstein- Du Hast [Techno remix] [Didn't know so many people liked this song]
6. Earthbound- One Nation Trance Nation [played the breakdown]
7. Earthbound- Element of Love [Heartbeating mix] [This is so fast]
8. Ayla- Liebe [Trance Mix]
9. Hemstock & Jennings- Reverence [Darren Tate Remix] [This song has like this weird voice in it that kinda freaked some people out]
10. Aven- All I Want [Ferry Corsten Remix] [The ladies like vocal trance, too bad I played it last]

And then I left the freshie to figure out how he was going to make it slow again. So from this I think playing repetitive stuff is alright but don't keep it up for more than 2 minutes [especially Blood is pumpin, that song goes on forever]. Vocal trance works on the ladies. If you can get them on the dance floor then the guys follow. If you don't have the Du Hast remix I suggest getting it b/c it works mad well even though its not trance. Trance and Rap are mostly incompatible. Play one or the other. If you can't do that, play the trance first and it will make the rap seem slow [yeah I know some machines 'cheat' and have tempo increase].

Last edited by emperorhui on Dec-12-2004 at 17:04

good insight , sounds like it went okay

Wow, sounded like a horrendous night.

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Originally posted by emperorhui Trance and Rap are mostly incompatible. Play one or the other.

Haha, I will keep that in mind.

good job emperor. it was interesting to see the feedback that u got from the crowd. seems like you didn't have to overdo the cheese to get a somewhat positive crowd reaction

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by emperorhui
9. Hemstock & Jennings- Reverence [Darren Tate Remix] [This song has like this weird voice in it that kinda freaked some people out]


HAHAHA i can just imagine that.. I played Wolfsheim-Wundervoll(blank and jones rmx) once with taht german voice at a university party and people got really freaked out.

hey at least you went out on a high! instill in all of them this idea of not being completely satisfied by giving them a taster then stopping it prematurely - keep em coming back for more. mwahaha!