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RIAA Sues 12-Year Old Girl (pg. 5)
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
actually there was a audit done by some guy and he pointed out the following issues the RIAA can't find answers for
Yes sales are down..but compared with what
The Big 5 have been releasing less music titles than before...hence selling less...I'm sure the goofballs at the RIAA read boards like this. YOU RELEASE LESS = LESS SALES
Also they have been so busy paying lawyers and other ppl to sue the asses off ppl....they have forgot to adequately promote and market their artists effectively. Let's face it, if the music is good, more people are going to buy cd's...you keep putting out crap...no one buys it. Personally I love to buy cd's and my cd library is quite big but the RIAA's tactics are beginning to piss me off. What a way to piss off your buyers
Also they paid fines (the big 5) about cd price fixing and lord knows how much money they made during that time. Now cd sales are down and they completely blame mp3's...but the market conditions are very different from a few years ago. I just laugh at this because if it was not for MP3's....then I would not be addicted to trance and electronic music and general and would have not bought the amount of cd's and gone to see the amount of artists that I did. I've spent a few thousand over the last 4-5 yrs on this...so I think mp3's are great because how many ppl did not know about trance and got mp3's from europe and sets and to hear deejays who now play here all the time and basically owe their existance to mp3's.
One last thing to leave with....do you realize that in early 1997..the Big 5 music companies had a meeting where new technology was discussed and mp3's were brought up and they could have jumped on the bandwagon and made a FORTUNE!...beyond our thinking....but they passed and now are trying to play catch up to an form of technology that has left them in the dust and gasping for air. Also they suffered from what most big companies suffer from (mainly the big 3 auto makers)....they did not want to change and did not give the public what it wanted and got destroyed....blame mp3's..i still think they have helped...and for all the RIAA goofballs that are reading the boards trying to gauge public reaction and formulate strategy...1)KISS MY ASS 2)You got left in the dust 3)adapt. |
Very well said,
The first day I found out about Napster I started to download more and more, also I started to spend more on CD's, I used it to check out the stuff that I like, before I'd bearly buy a cd, but afterwards I think I spend more then 300 $ in 6 months after, and sales all over increased.
But sueing a 12 year old girl is ridiculus :eyes:
PS I don't buy cd anymore, this greed for $ $ and not quality makes me sick, I only buy vinyls now lol |
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| torontotrance |
I enjoy buying cd's....the sound quality and the artwork is great.
Only Album i ever recall burning was ulrich schnauss's far away trains passing by....till I tracked down that SOB on import...then threw away the burned album. I was tempted to burn his new album but I'll wait till I get more cash then buy the second album on import.
The RIAA is evil and they just want to gain more money, it's all about greed...they can't use decent marketing strategies. As I stated earlier...they missed the mp3 boat...and they are now using heavy handed tactics that cost them a fortune and I don't see mp3 downloading stopping. I mean I have a problem with the mp3 kiddies who a)never buy cd's b)never go to clubs (only for the ones who legally can) c)act like they know. I say support the damn scene..mp3's are great...but get the albums ffs..ppl spend a lot of time and money putting them together. You don't have to buy everything but paying for a cd....yes it puts money in the EVIL RIAA's pockets but it also gives money to the artist and that's who is forgotten in this mess. RIAA vs. CUSTOMER.....who is left out...artists
btw....while we are on the thing...i wish to rail against some artists anyway
metallica...angry at mp3 downloaders....but they seem to forget that in 1984...they did cover versions of songs WITHOUT PERMISSION and released the album....go sued....what changed from then till napster..they got rich...but no one seems to remember this...please people remember this
dr.dre - recently had to fork out 1.5 million bucks in a lawsuit because he stole a sample without permission....and he hates downloads...then again...he never plays by the rules....he got sued by george lucas cuz he hijacked the THX theme in that same album. Good one dr.dre...rally against mp3 downloading and want ppl to play by the rules...but you cannot do that yourself....ing idiot.
So I say support the artists who play by the rules....not the idiots I mentioned above. Also buying old cd's that you never got a chance to acquire is great.i just bought a used copy of gu007...great stuff. |
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| xKaoSx |
I was all ready to start a site and get this going
s sake www.boycottriaa.com is already going.
Thing looks like a big moneymaking thing for THEM though.
ing bull- I guess its a start.
We need to hammer them and tell them to step up their efforts.
We need like a complete boycott for a whole month or two
preferably December. The biggest CD sales month of the year.
I was thinking- They claim they're losing money for loss sales
Once they get all this money for their lawsuits- Do they just keep it or are they dispursing the appropriate amount the the artists as well? If I was an artist under their cartel I would be saying Thanks for recovering some of my losses- now give me my money.
That is like PURE profit for them when someone pays.
Anyone know anything about this?
Maybe we should be contacting everyone on the RIAA distribution list and ask them- Are you getting YOUR share of these "recovered" revenues? |
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| xKaoSx |
We need to change the topic of this thread and sticky it
THE RIAA sounds good |
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| AnonymousRacer |
Just a ?... aren't the big 5 labels somehow always involved in our kind of music? Just read the small prints of some of the cds.
People who still buy cds are those without computers/burners... this I agree with. :D I haven't bought a cd in a long time. I am willing to pay for music online, but I'm not willing to plop down $15-$20 for a cd with only a couple songs that I recognize. |
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| arj1o1 |
the manager of Grokster, Wayne Rosso, pays the 200 dollar fine for the 12-year old girl
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Het hoofd van het p2p-bedrijf Grokster is van plan de RIAA-boete van tweeduizend dollar te betalen, die aan een twaalfjarig meisje is opgelegd. VNUNet schrijft dat directeur Wayne Rosso walgt van de praktijken van de belangenorganisatie. Brianna Laharra heeft noodgedwongen een overeenkomst gesloten met de organisatie, nadat zij als een van de 261 mensen werd aangeklaagd afgelopen maandag. Voor het delen van meer dan duizend muziekbestanden moet zij een boete van tweeduizend dollar betalen. Rosso zegt dat hij op dit moment probeert in contact te komen met de moeder van Brianna. Behalve Rosso zijn nog meer mensen bezorgd over de nieuwe actiemethode van de RIAA. Mensen zijn bang dat ze aangeklaagd worden voor vele duizenden dollars en zijn snel geneigd te schikken. Senator Norm Coleman noemt de aanklachten overdreven:
But the shock and awe tactics by the RIAA are worrying some US politicians.
"I don't think we need to club people to death to get them to understand that downloading is a problem. I worry that the tactics and the tools are excessive," Senator Norm Coleman said in a statement. |
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| DJ RozzeR |
Some great comments on this debate, a few points from me
The Mp3 scene and p2p sharing is getting bigger every year aswell as the number of broadband users signing up to cheap services are doubling, what do they expect you are going to do with a 512k connection , watch crappy movie trailers while you download the full movie for free ? or are they going to stream a sample of Britneys new album when you can download the whole thing in 20mins and put it on CDR for 10p ,
A few more facts , it is now to late for the RIAA, so what they sue a girl for $3000, while there record companies are loosing millions every year, they make these adverts threatning to sue you, for what $3k a song, when was the last time you saw a 12yr or anyone with more than $250k, in there bank. ok so you cant pay it and you goto jail, catch a few hubs with 3000 users and there will be no jails left, there must be 100's of millions of Terrabytes of mp3's out there.
Ok you download 20 albums a week for $0, say if you bought 20 albums in a retail shop its gonna cost you $300 not many ppl buy that i know spend that much on music, isn't it a good thing that ppl are listenning to more , rather than paying more !! and listenning to less which gives a chance for the artists to distrute new material easily.
Ok you are selling ilegal copies of albums to ppl, for $4 an album, its all gonna be taxed any way by the governments sooner or later which goes back into the system.
You turn on MTV which has 8-10 channels , Justin timberlake must be played 100 times a day , because he is a good artist NO ! Its because they need to drill his music into your brain so you buy the album and not download it.
Im glad that the POP industry is doing crap, songs like the ketchup song, bob the builder are number one. Most radio stations play the same music over and over again and never attemp to play something different , ok i am a trance fan, but that does not mean that i only like trance, the radio stations a suffering because the cant judge on whats good and whats bad anymore, they just go off image !! how many FAT pop bands have u seen recently ??? if i didn't have access to this forum and the HUB i would probabily of never like trance music, theres hundreds of trance artists out there that i had never of heard of.
The same will happen to DVD's and it will soon be the Film industry that suffers, with mobile technology comes into play the wole thing is gonna collapse id say in 5-10 years, |
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| Zombie14 |
| i doubt it when it comes to DVD's and the film industry... peopel go to movies to have a good time.. to hang out with friends/girlfriends... people on the internet have been pirating movies for a decade now... and the box office is still rackin up millions upon hundreds of millions of dollars.. |
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| The Darklord |
Glad here we don't have that kind of problems... but anyway:
Perhaps if the RIAA directors weren't thinkin' in filling up their accounts, this whole issue would be alot more quiet. From them, I'd expect anything, but this one of making a 12-year old girl pay for musics that she DL'd... it's the laugh of the day. It doesn't matter the age of the guilty one, just matters if she crossed their "line" and has $$ to giveaway (I'm not saying that she's innocent, btw).
There's somewhere where a bomb could be placed: in the RIAA HQ. |
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| torontotrance |
| I read that cd sales dropped 54% since they started to sue people. |
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