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colds and aids (pg. 2)
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| montie |
oh and for all you guys talking about alcohol...
alcohol won't get rid of a cold. if a cold was a bacteria then maybe.
alcohol kills bacteria. doesn't do to viruses.
but if there was such a thing as a bacterial cold, then snorting a shot of vodka should get things all cleaned out for you :p |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by montie
but if there was such a thing as a bacterial cold, then snorting a shot of vodka should get things all cleaned out for you :p |
ouch, now that would in hurt :nervous: :eek: |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by montie
well thats pretty unlikely that HIV would mutate into the same transport medium of a cold virus.
the HIV virus is very fragile outside of the body. when outside of the body it decomposes very quickly. compared to many other virus it is quite difficult to contract.
the cold virus on the other hand has a much stronger capsid making it capable of floating thru air for quite a long time. it makes sense that evolution made this possible because the cold virus attacks the sinus (i think) so its best means for coming incontact with cells to attack would be through respiration.
the HIV virus on the other hand needs to come into contact with blood that contains t4 white blood cells. thus evolution has progressed in such a way for hiv that it will be most contagius when a new host comes incontact with contaminated blood or other bodily fluids.
also virus' have special receptors which bind almost exclusivly to the cells that they attack.
the cold virus has receptors which bind to cells in the sinus (i think). the HIV virus has receptors which bind to T4 white blood cells. the HIV virus is likely to get flushed out by mucous and other agents in the nose which keep foreign agents out (i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure t4 white blood cells don't hang out in the nose, they are activated by another form of T cells which tell them to kill a certain type of virus in the blood which was memorized by the immune system)
so there wouldn't be many t4 white blood cells to bind to, so thus that wouldn't be to great of a means of transmission for HIV. |
ok i see.
Since the adenovirus and rhinovirus are highly variable and mutate at an alarming rate, could it be possible to develop a non functional man made virus that would attach to all the receptors in the nasal area and hence act as a prevention of cold viruses? Would this make logical sense? To create a virus that binds to the cells but doesnt insert its DNA, hence 'tieing' up the cell receptors that a real cold virus would not be able to bind? |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
ok i see.
Since the adenovirus and rhinovirus are highly variable and mutate at an alarming rate, could it be possible to develop a non functional man made virus that would attach to all the receptors in the nasal area and hence act as a prevention of cold viruses? Would this make logical sense? To create a virus that binds to the cells but doesnt insert its DNA, hence 'tieing' up the cell receptors that a real cold virus would not be able to bind? |
well thats sort of how a vaccine works.
vaccines are either weakend versions of viruses, or just the capsids without the DNA or RNA inside of them.
so they are inserted into the body and the immune system kills them and then "memorizes" them and modifies itself so that it knows how to kill the real virus if it does come into the body.
but man hasn't been able to come up with a vaccine for all viruses in this manor (the cold being the most frequent of viruses) cuz this doesn't seem to work for all viruses.
but i dunno. anything is possible. i don't think tieing up all the receptors in the cells in the sinus is a good idea cuz that would leave them vulnerable to other virus/pathogens which they kill on a daily basis. |
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| Cuervo79 |
| quote: | Originally posted by montie
well thats sort of how a vaccine works.
vaccines are either weakend versions of viruses, or just the capsids without the DNA or RNA inside of them.
so they are inserted into the body and the immune system kills them and then "memorizes" them and modifies itself so that it knows how to kill the real virus if it does come into the body.
but man hasn't been able to come up with a vaccine for all viruses in this manor (the cold being the most frequent of viruses) cuz this doesn't seem to work for all viruses.
but i dunno. anything is possible. i don't think tieing up all the receptors in the cells in the sinus is a good idea cuz that would leave them vulnerable to other virus/pathogens which they kill on a daily basis. |
The prob is mutation, thats what happens to the cold virus. if it was the same it would be already erradicated, but because it mutates the body can't recognize its the cold virus. also there are some strains of influenza that's lethal... can't remember when the epidemic was in the states 1920? lethal, no cure.... |
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| jinxed84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cuervo79
The prob is mutation, thats what happens to the cold virus. if it was the same it would be already erradicated, but because it mutates the body can't recognize its the cold virus. also there are some strains of influenza that's lethal... can't remember when the epidemic was in the states 1920? lethal, no cure.... |
i think the influenza epidemic was in 1919, went completely around the world and killed like 25 million people or at least that what it said in the movie "Outbreak" (watched it again yesterday)
and to the original poster, two things
1) its not the AIDS virus its the HIV virus. AIDS(auto immune deficiency syndrome i think) is what happens as a result of infection from HIV. sorry to be picky
2) i dont think you have to worry about someone combining HIV into something to make it air bourne. HIV can lie dormant for a long ass time and even when it gets to aids it takes a relatively long time to kill you.
if youre thinking about biological weapons worry about something like Ebola/Marburg and other such hemoragic fevers. those do nasty things to you and right quick to boot. or anthrax(which is a spore anyway i think) or bubonic plague; which i think is actually very similar to the flu, right up untill you go *flop* on the ground. ok enough pointless wondering about remote possibilities
but anyway eat some soup, go to be early and take some pills to relieve any annoying symptoms for the night. Hope you feel better |
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| DJ Freestyle |
| Why would you want to know? |
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| Orbax |
to answer: yes I have thoughts on the subject. I have been moving towards 50% plus alcohols. the 40% just doesnt do it any more. 151 is my next step for a regular drink.
i dont think there are that many 120s and stuff to choose from sadly.
and I think it DOES kill the cold. You thrash your body so bad by getting ed the viruses take over dead cells and die or something hehe, i dunno about all the bio-. ALls I knows is whens i get drunken, i dont feel bad no more then or the next day |
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| Dmatrox |
| aw im ing pissed off, i typed a whole lot of , and then it wants me to login again. ing forums :whip: :whip: |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
to answer: yes I have thoughts on the subject. I have been moving towards 50% plus alcohols. the 40% just doesnt do it any more. 151 is my next step for a regular drink.
i dont think there are that many 120s and stuff to choose from sadly.
and I think it DOES kill the cold. You thrash your body so bad by getting ed the viruses take over dead cells and die or something hehe, i dunno about all the bio-. ALls I knows is whens i get drunken, i dont feel bad no more then or the next day |
haha prolly cuz the alcohol relieves your symptoms by dumbing down your senses
| quote: | | The prob is mutation, thats what happens to the cold virus. if it was the same it would be already erradicated, but because it mutates the body can't recognize its the cold virus. also there are some strains of influenza that's lethal... can't remember when the epidemic was in the states 1920? lethal, no cure.... |
yeah viruses and bacteria are mutating all the time. since they have very short life cycles and very short strands of DNA (a virus DNA is 1/1000th the lenght of a Bacteria, a bacteria is prolly like 1/10000000 of a human (i'm not sure tho)), mutation is easy for them.
right after ww1, a very lethal strain of the influenza virus hit realy hard in america and hte US. around 20 million peeps died.
the virus killed tons of children, tons of people age 18-26 and then lots of older people. i think the reason for such high rates (especially in the young adult generation) was because of the war. in europe almost every young adult was serving in the military, and america had just joined the war and was sending its troops there.
most of the troops (especially the ones living in the trenches) were incredibly immunosupressed (weakend immune system due to living in unsanitary conditions, staying awake for days, marching all over the place plus the mental stress of fighitng in a war). so this particularly strong strain of influenza had very very easy prey, which could transmit the virus very easily all over europe and the united states since you had so many young people incontact with eachother and travelling all over. |
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| blazed it |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
to answer: yes I have thoughts on the subject. I have been moving towards 50% plus alcohols. the 40% just doesnt do it any more. 151 is my next step for a regular drink.
i dont think there are that many 120s and stuff to choose from sadly.
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have you heard of stroh rum?
Stroh Inländer Rum 60% ABV
Stroh Inländer Rum 80% ABV
oh and btw it's Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome |
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| MrSquirrel |
You want an "incurable airborne virus" I take it?
Try Ebola and the Hunta Virus.
Hemmorhagic fevers....if you've seen the movie Outbreak...the virus in there is "designed" based on the Ebola virus.
HIV is not as far as diseases go easy to transmit or highly lethal. Influenza spreads more easily and is considerably more deadly than HIV.
MrS |
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