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Canadian Society, Political Correctness etc.. (pg. 3)
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
As I said earlier, there are no girls in our class. If I walked by a poster of two men kissing I probably would've felt uncomfortable and probably pissed, but definitely not offended. And I sure as hell would not complain. |
Just a question for you, how do you know who ratted you guys out?? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ahlamalek
We're not in Europe (even Europe have many moral standards). |
MALEK! Don't make me get medieval on you, that's the point! This country has ed-up moral standards!
| quote: | | Its called respect, for yourself and the others around. |
Doesn't violating people's freedom of expression constitute a lack of respect? If this girl doesn't even USE the lab, what right does she have to set the rules? Who determines what is disrespectful? And how is this disrespectful to anyone?
I keep hearing people say "it's disrespectful, it's a public place", but can anyone honestly explain HOW it's disrespectful?
This is all I want... in plain English, someone explain WHY the poster was disrespectful, without resorting to platitudes. I want a logical reason, not a phoney "standard" set by hypocritical over-the-top feminist extremists. |
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| discojoe |
1. I have that poster. i LOVE it! :D :D :D
2. Durafei are you actually the only class that uses that room? I mean a university isnt elementary school where you only have one class. Could be other classes that use it. I'm not surprised at all they disallowed it. They reason they might allow it in europe or more liberal countries is because no one would be offended by it, not because they dont care. Just a different culture... |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You guys are all missing the point of this post though.
WHY is this obscene, inappropriate, why shouldn't it be allowed, etc.?
Can someone honestly state what's wrong with it?
It's just that people in this society have been trained to believe that "pornographic" images are somehow "wrong." Try meeting some European girls, they'll have very different opinions of all this... |
theres no difference what society thinks about porn...it's still a place of learning and more importantly it is a public place of learning. if i was a gay guy that was paying lots of cash to be forced to look at almost naked girls i would be offended. theres nothing wrong with the pic itself, just where it was hung. you can't assume that some people won't be offended by nudity, and if u do, well thats just inconsiderate.
also the european thing is kind of weak because i happen to know for a fact that most euro universities are very consirvative and very respectful in regards to faculty. profs are always addressed as sir and students almost always stand up when speaking.
moreover, using the argument that our society was brought up thinking that porn was wrong is just arguing against yourself. |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
To elaborate on what brunette said...
Malek, and the rest of you, I think the point Durafei has raised is that public or not public, what the hell is the problem with it? How is this picture offensive!?
Honestly, some bitches take this too far, they insist that the world needs to be totally asexual or something. I'm sure these are the same types of people that can't take a compliment from any guy and go to watch the Vagina Monologues later on. It's not even about political correctness, it's just totally asinine.
I can practically guarantee you that if a group of women posted up the opposite sort of picture, it would stay. People feel the need to constantly nag and bitch about how men are still "opressing" and "degrading" women with such pictures :rolleyes: as if we've got something to apologize for. |
and holy man...think about it...would you want to be forced to look at two guys kissing in underwear all day? I'm far from homophobic...i love fly and what used to be IT....but i still wouldnt want to see that everytime i had class. |
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| Elmo-On-XTC |
political correctness is garbage. i hate being around people who are politically correct! in someways it's selfish! if i wanna see a poster two women kissing in my lab and no one else IN the lab minds then I will!!! don't come into my lab and tell me to take it down! mind your own business :whip:
what if i went into your bedroom and told you to take down your ing n'sync posters and change your justin timberlake wallpaper on your desktop cuz i don't like it...im sure you wouldn't like that too much |
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| ahlamalek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
HAHAAHAHHAA!!
Have you been to college/university? lol... ;)
Sorry that statement sounds like MTV saying their programming is full of wholesome family values and then throw on Christine Agulara(sp? whatever the hell it is...) - Fighter...
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hahaha i know that, girls at universities put so little on that us poor guys can't do our work right, and then authorities bitch that guys aren't doing good at schools :D
| quote: | | Doesn't violating people's freedom of expression constitute a lack of respect? If this girl doesn't even USE the lab, what right does she have to set the rules? Who determines what is disrespectful? And how is this disrespectful to anyone? |
your freedom ends where someone's else freedom starts. in that case, expressing herself about her disgust won over the guys expressing their ... euh horniness? You go to a club, say, hey girl i love your tities, can I put my **** in your ***** ? she's gonna slap you. are you gonna say "hey! freedom of speech!" hehehehe
| quote: | | MALEK! Don't make me get medieval on you, that's the point! This country has ed-up moral standards! |
I don't think we have the right to judge or compare a society with another, let them be. |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
MALEK! Don't make me get medieval on you, that's the point! This country has ed-up moral standards!
Doesn't violating people's freedom of expression constitute a lack of respect? If this girl doesn't even USE the lab, what right does she have to set the rules? Who determines what is disrespectful? And how is this disrespectful to anyone?
I keep hearing people say "it's disrespectful, it's a public place", but can anyone honestly explain HOW it's disrespectful?
This is all I want... in plain English, someone explain WHY the poster was disrespectful, without resorting to platitudes. I want a logical reason, not a phoney "standard" set by hypocritical over-the-top feminist extremists. |
If she doesn't use the lab, then how did she see it? |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC
political correctness is garbage. i hate being around people who are politically correct! in someways it's selfish! if i wanna see a poster two women kissing in my lab and no one else IN the lab minds then I will!!! don't come into my lab and tell me to take it down! mind your own business :whip:
what if i went into your bedroom and told you to take down your ing n'sync posters and change your justin timberlake wallpaper on your desktop cuz i don't like it...im sure you wouldn't like that too much |
Are there at least 20 people in your room? |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
This is all I want... in plain English, someone explain WHY the poster was disrespectful, without resorting to platitudes. I want a logical reason, not a phoney "standard" set by hypocritical over-the-top feminist extremists. |
You want an explanation as to why it might be offensive. Some people might see it as pornographic. An exploitation of female sexuality for entertainment. I certainly know what i feel when i see it. (and really i know what every guy is thinking too) I get a little friend poking my pants. There's two lesbians in bed making out in their underwear. I think the real purpose of the picture is pretty obvious. Its really not an 'expression' of lesbianism but a little bit of fun for kicks and boners.
sensorship crime sensorship...Blah blah blah... There are sensorship standards in every society. Even some you agree with. I dont think you would object if someone was asked to remove a NAZI poster they hung in a class room or soemthing that had ******s or 'kill the jews'. I certainly dont think most people would object to having that sensored. So its not sensorship you object to, its this particular picture. And if you have been living in Canada for more than a year or two you know that that would probably not be accepted. If you like the poster go hang it in your room and look at it in private. This isnt a form of sensorship you should be getting upset over. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ahlamalek
your freedom ends where someone's else freedom starts. in that case, expressing herself about her disgust won over the guys expressing their ... euh horniness? You go to a club, say, hey girl i love your tities, can I put my **** in your ***** ? she's gonna slap you. are you gonna say "hey! freedom of speech!" hehehehe |
Yeah, you have the right to say that to a girl in a club, and she's got the right to slap you for it. She doesn't have the right to call the cops and have you ejected from the club because of it.
So, yeah, this girl had the right to be disgusted and complain, but it doesn't mean that the guys didn't have the right to put it up.
I'm still waiting to hear a LOGICAL explanation for why this can be considered disgusting and wrong.
If someone put up a poster of a Porsche, and a girl whined about it, I don't think people would really listen... so I'm sure you're saying "but that's NOT the same as putting up a poster of 2 chicks kissing!" Well HOW IS IT DIFFERENT to the extent of being offensive? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
You want an explanation as to why it might be offensive. Some people might see it as pornographic. An exploitation of female sexuality for entertainment. I certainly know what i feel when i see it. (and really i know what every guy is thinking too) I get a little friend poking my pants. There's two lesbians in bed making out in their underwear. I think the real purpose of the picture is pretty obvious. Its really not an 'expression' of lesbianism but a little bit of fun for kicks and boners. |
Well that's a good point, but I'd have to ask how the "exploitation" of those two particular women (who obviously had the picture taken willingly!) equates to exploitation of women in general?
In fact, how does displaying the sexuality of any women equate to exploiting them? Does a poster of them kissing automatically imply that they're not good for anything else? How is this morally wrong? Since when did porn - and that poster isn't even showing skin - become hatred of women?
"Kill the jews" is inciting hatred and encouraging violent acts... I think that's slightly different.
P.S. I'm not getting particularly upset over this societal standard, I mean, I accept it, but I will say this: if any girl walks into my room and sees a sexy picture on my desktop (which, by the way, is not showing any skin either), and criticizes me over it, I'm kicking her out of the damn house on the spot. |
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