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Ecstasy, Good or Bad? (pg. 5)
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| dj adagnitio |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJDigDug
extasy has been given a very bad reputation, if the user is responsible and drinks water, doesnt mix it with other drugs ESPECIALLY alcohol, it is probably one of the safest drugs there are. So many myths exist about extasy it is rather sad and since it is a newer drug it gets blamed for a lot of things due to peoples lack of knowledge of it. Alot of people seriously dont understand chemistry, they merely think that alcohol plus extasy is some soft downer with a stimulant, rather than a chemical reaction but often cases are that 1 beer can put ya in a coma or siezure on extasy,
As for the straight edgers please dont turn this into a drugs are bad drug slandering post. |
That is 100% bull.
I challenge anyone to find any credible source out there that claims that drinking 1 beer and taking MDMA can put you in a come or make you seizure. This is just not anywhere close to true.
I also dont really trust that DEA chart. It seems very unlikelly to me that that many people are in the emergency room from Marijuana.
MDMA is EXTREMELLY safe. Their is almost no chance of overdosing being that the LD50 is I believe around 6,000 mgs. The only real dangers of MDMA are that one will die of dehydraiton, which almost always happens in a club and could be averted if free water was provided; or that someone will have a heart condition, or something similar and the mdma will trigger it.
To examine your odds of dying lets take a look at some UK statistics.
In the UK now an estimated 2 million pills are done a week, thats 112 million a year. In the UK 27 people die from ecstasy a year. That means for every 4,148 148 pills taken one person dies. |
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| chesco |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj adagnitio
112 million a year. |
half of which are taken by me.
:p
but seriously ecstacy is not the bad drug everybody makes it out to be.
take the doctor who invented (don't know his name), he said that more people have died in one year from eating peanuts than have died from taking ecstacy since it was discovered. so why not ban peanuts. hmmmm.
If people want to take ecstacy then who are you to judge them. its a well known fact that alchohol has caused a million times more grief and suffering than ecstacy. so when you put it in a proper perspective then it just makes all these do good campaigners look rather stupid |
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| staz |
Biggest danger of "Ecstasy" nowadays is getting pills that are adulterated with substances other than MDMA, which could prove very harmful and even lethal sometimes, especially if combined with other drugs. Since many manufacturers of the drugs don't give a about anything except their own wallets, the chances are unfortunately big that they'll mix whatever they can get their hands on in their pills, regardless of if two or more of the substances they put in a pill may interact dangerously with eachother when consumed.
For MDMA, the active chemical in "real ecstasy" the risks are relatively low in comparison to other things if the user is responsible and takes necessary precautions such as staying hydrated, take breaks from dancing (if dancing) and not overdoing it. Using the substance too often can result in terrible side effects though, but i'd dare saying taking breaks of 2-3 months between each session would keep a person relatively unexposed to most side effects.
There are testing kits to screen pills for MDMA, however, those kits can not tell if pills containing MDMA contain other substances (which might interact badly with MDMA - or increase body load to an excessive level) as well.
Risk Assessment
I also don't like to use the term ecstasy anymore, especially since when media reports a case of death, they use the term ecstasy without any regard to what actually was in the "ecstasy".. Just because ecstasy ment MDMA 20 years ago, doesn't mean it does today.. So to me it's really unclear how many of the (in that DEA table for example) of the Ecstasy emergency cases were actually caused by MDMA and not some other crappy stuffed into a pill for quick profit.
About the deaths btw, did anyone think of that if a substance wasn't illegal, it's purity could be controlled, people could dose correctly without risking OD'ing or getting something they don't want inside them, and criminal organisations benefitting from sales of a substance would no longer benefit from it.
[annoyed]terms like 'ed' and 'pilling' shines from e-tardness, and imo they don't reflect any of what you'd want from a MDMA experience.. If you want to get 'ed', just sniff some gasoline or glue, or bang your head into the wall a few times.. [/annoyed] |
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| dj_mdma |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple_Heart
You guys just keep telling yourselfs that ....
There is a reason they call it a drug and not a vitamin .... :eek: |
anything you ingest that isn't fuel (i.e food or oxygen)
is theoretically a drug.
As the definition of a drug is a substance that will change a physical process or disrupt a homeostatic process in the body. |
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| VaNFeCto |
| I understand what u guys are saying but the majority of users are idiots and do mix it with other drugs and its really killing the scene, no more apparent than here in Houston. Raves, outdoor parties or what ever you want to call them have been completely banned here and the blame is solely on X. So I mean you can see where the anger comes in, I mean to each its own but X to me suxors, its all about the music IMO. |
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| trancegirl79 |
Bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't need that to dance 10 hours in a row! I just need coca cola and fresh water!;) |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ste
so your trying to say for every 1 person who takes E, there are 20,000-30,000 who take cannabis/cocaine?
no score im afraid. |
i wouldn't throw out such a number, but there are definatly alot more people out there who smoke pot and do cocaine (i'm pretty sure that the cocaine also includes crack related) than people who pop E. (and remember this is in the United States)
because of there are so many more people out there who do those drugs, it would skew the results to a higher number of emergency room visits (maybe not a higher rate, which would be the percentage of ER visits vs. number of users).
and i'm sure the data for this graph were very loosly compiled in that, someone who was too stoned to walk and fell down the stairs and broke his arm was brought to the ER and the visit was another tick mark for marijuana related ER visits.
the same is true when people try to justify illigal drugs by saying that there is so much more higher rates of damage done by alcohol than by any illigal substance. well duh, of course the numbers are gonna be higher because almost everyone drinks alcohol, and not nearly as many people do illigal drugs in comparison.
i'm not trying to say that ecstasy and illigal drugs in general are all very danerous. i'm quite pro-drug. but i'm just saying you gotta be careful about statistics. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by VaNFeCto
I understand what u guys are saying but the majority of users are idiots and do mix it with other drugs and its really killing the scene, |
I'm afraid that's a very common misconception. The majority of users inform themselves of the risks beforehand, and make sure to minimize any dangers. It is the FEW who are uninformed, ignorant, and just plain stupid that are ending up in the newspapers and making 'the scene' look so terrible. |
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| dreamone |
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TRANCE IS THE DRUG! |
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| montie |
everyone seems to say music is the drug and blah blah blah
but how come almost every amazing artist did drugs?
almost all the jazz greats did heroin and any other drug out there.
kurt cobain speaks for himself
elliot smith has heroin instead of blood running thru his vains
pink floyd and LSD
same with the beatles
and in the electronica scene. almost all the good producers do drugs.
sander kleinenberg breaths pot out of his lungs
sasha is a drug feind |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by montie
everyone seems to say music is the drug and blah blah blah
but how come almost every amazing artist did drugs?
almost all the jazz greats did heroin and any other drug out there.
kurt cobain speaks for himself
elliot smith has heroin instead of blood running thru his vains
pink floyd and LSD
same with the beatles
and in the electronica scene. almost all the good producers do drugs.
sander kleinenberg breaths pot out of his lungs
sasha is a drug feind |
you can go back to aristotle, homer, da vinci, cervantes, michelangelo, mozart, virginia woolfe, van gogh, picasso, dali, stravinsky etc. etc. etc. regardless of the artform. all of them did something. sober minds are not as not as ed up, and therefore not as creative. ;) |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
you can go back to aristotle, homer, da vinci, cervantes, michelangelo, mozart, virginia woolfe, van gogh, picasso, dali, stravinsky etc. etc. etc. regardless of the artform. all of them did something. sober minds are not as not as ed up, and therefore not as creative. ;) |
haha so true :p |
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