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If you believe they put a man on the moon... (pg. 6)
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider Brilliant ... so we WENT to the moon to create a hoax of going to the moon??? And how exactly did we collect over 800lbs of moon rocks in this non man-based landing? Please describe this advanced robotic technology that was capable of collecting lunar samples on its own and returning it to the Earth. Also describe how we were able to do all of this in the 60's whereas we can't even do that on Mars TODAY. It's absolutely amazing to see at what lengths people will believe in the improbable in order to debunk the probable to make the case of improbability.
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ok u want a better answer? they aren't really moonroccks |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
that's exactly my point. the shadows are the SAME consistency in DIFFERENT directions. but i see yyou feel REALLY strongly about this issue so im not going to argue anymore about any more:) |
Nope I'll gladly argue the theory ... no need to back down. Which picture are you looking at? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
ok u want a better answer? they aren't really moonroccks |
So what are they?
And how are they virtually identical to moon rock asteroid fragments that crash onto the Earth? |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
So what are they?
And how are they virtually identical to moon rock asteroid fragments that crash onto the Earth? |
what asteroid fragments...source please |
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| tall paul 2 |
| surely there must be pictures of the american flag on the moon today. with the powerful telescopes etc we got now. that would kind of make me more convinced.. or did they take the flags back with them?? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
what asteroid fragments...source please |
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/meteor.htm
Edit: Further in-depth detail
http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon/howdoweknow.html
and the provided summary from the geologist:
| quote: | | Any geoscientist (and there have been thousands from all over the world) who has studied lunar rocks knows that anyone who thinks the Apollo lunar samples were created on Earth as part of government conspiracy doesn’t know much about rocks. The Apollo samples are just too good. They tell a self-consistent story with a complexly interwoven plot that’s better than any story any conspirator could have conceived. I’ve studied lunar rocks and soils for 30+ years and I couldn’t make even a poor imitation of a lunar breccia, lunar soil, or a mare basalt in the lab. And with all due respect to my clever colleagues in government labs, no one in “the Government” could do it either, even now that we know what lunar rocks are like. Lunar samples show evidence of formation in an extremely dry environment with essentially no free oxygen and little gravity. In addition to having craters on the surface, they display evidence for a suite of unanticipated and complicated effects associated with large and small meteorite impacts. They contain gases (hydrogen, helium, nitrogen, neon, argon, krypton, and xenon) derived from the solar wind with isotope ratios different than Earth forms of the same gases. They contain crystal damage from cosmic rays. They have crystallization ages, determined by techniques involving radioisotopes, that are older than any known Earth rocks (anyone who figures out how to fake that is worthy of a Nobel Prize). It was easier and cheaper to go to the Moon and bring back some rocks then it would have been to create all these fascinating features on Earth. [After writing these words I learned that virtually the same sentiments had already been expressed by some of my lunar sample colleagues.] |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by tall paul 2
surely there must be pictures of the american flag on the moon today. with the powerful telescopes etc we got now. that would kind of make me more convinced.. or did they take the flags back with them?? |
Not even hubble has the necessary resolution:
Size of Lunar Module. Let's be really generous and say 10m square.
Distance between Hubble and Moon. About 350, 000km.
This works out as an visual angle of (10m)/(3.5 x 10^8m) * (180/PI) = 1.6 x 10^-6 degrees = 6 milliarcseconds.
The WFPC2 'telescope' on Hubble has the following resolution: 800x800 pixels of a 35 arcseconds field of view with a pixel scale of 46 milliarcseconds. Actually resolution in practice is a little below this. |
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| tall paul 2 |
| i dunno, we got pictures of other galaxies, black holes and crap, but cant get pics of a flag on the moon? havent they got telescopes in space that can do it? just curious? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by tall paul 2
i dunno, we got pictures of other galaxies, black holes and crap, but cant get pics of a flag on the moon? havent they got telescopes in space that can do it? just curious? |
Galaxies are millions and millions of light years across. Even with as something as close as the moon, the lem is far too small to picture. We can't even image a planet from the closest star ... we can only infer its existence by the gravitational effect on its star. |
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| tall paul 2 |
| hmm.. im still unconvinced.. :crazy: |
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| occrider |
And for what I HOPE is the final straw on the camel's back, let's not forget that Russia DID send 3 seperate spacecraft to the moon on 1970, 72, and 76 to return a whopping 381 grams of lunar material (our "unmanned" probes returned nearly 400kg by 1969 :rolleyes: ) which had similar properties to the apollo rocks. So I guess they're in on the conspiracy too? Well, you know ... they would do something like that for us considering what great buddies we were back then.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spac...tary_lunar.html |
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| djSlain |
| about the 8000 pounds of moon rock. was that 8000 pounds in moon gravity or earth gravity. I would think it'd be way easy to lift off with that much weight, only to come crashing down into the ocean and unloaded for analysis |
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