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Israel is the biggest threat to world peace? (pg. 6)
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| tathi |
so the Palestinians should do nothing when "some hatred" comes in the way of dead women and children?
it's just as easy to look at it from another angle..
| quote: | | what's sadder is the EU's view on all of it... |
what? unbiased, credible, respectable? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
what? unbiased, credible, respectable? |
I actually smiled :D ... it's funny to observe how historical ties relate with current policy and see how both sides defend their "altruistic" intentions. |
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| tathi |
| i shouldn't have touched this thread, to busy to fend off a flame, i couldnt ing help myself ;p |
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| 'mju:zik |
unbiased?
are you serious?
how can anything that is so intertwined be unbiased on any end?
and think back to the beginning, who attacked who on the eve of birth? |
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| tathi |
| "it all began with begin" |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
ooh and Floster I think you are wrong, if both sides put down their weapons,there will be peace,no one knows if that'll work,but worth trying dotn you think?? |
| quote: | | you will always have resistance no matter what,since Isreal took Palastinians land away from them after all,so there will always be some hate toward Isreal. |
do you see a contradiction here?
i do :wtf:
and please stop with the "Israel took Palestinians land away from them" propaganda deception |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
and please stop with the "Israel took Palestinians land away from them" propaganda deception |
I wont stop,because it is true:p |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
ok so then Israel should do nothing when "some hatred" comes in the way of dead women and children? thats a pretty disgusting view. what society would allow such acts to go unpunished? a society that you support apparently.:(
what's sadder is the EU's view on all of it...
hey we created them, but now, um, maybe it wasn't such a good idea...ok so lets abandon them completely and have backrow politicians create schemes of eliminating the accident that could soon spill over to Monte Carlo and all our favourite casinos. |
You know when it may stop, when palestinians as a whole race are treated like humans, and not ants in which one can step on. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
do you see a contradiction here?
i do :wtf:
and please stop with the "Israel took Palestinians land away from them" propaganda deception |
PROPAGANDA????
the state of ISrael was established on the basis of removing the indeginous palestinian population. How is that not taking away their land?
you are beginning to let your denial consume you. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
PROPAGANDA????
the state of ISrael was established on the basis of removing the indeginous palestinian population. How is that not taking away their land?
you are beginning to let your denial consume you. |
guys, there were two threads i posted long essays about how palestinians WERE NOT TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR LAND... none of you have provided factual conterarguements to prove the oppisite but you refuse to change your views :conf: |
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| Cyrus King |
http://www.sustain-memphis.org/israel_palestine.htm
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Israel declared its statehood in 1948 which resulted in the first Arab-Israel war. Israel was the victor in the conflict & took control over 78% of Palestine. Massacres by the new State of Israel followed their independence in order to expel the indigenous Arab population out Palestine |
http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/joshua/may7180.stm
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Israel in Palestine
Today's Jews are quickly associated with the Promised Land of Joshua's time. However, the establishment of the State of Israel by the United Nations in 1948 raises many questions about that relationship. Palestine already was populated by over a half million people. Most were poor Arab farmers and artisans living in villages. Jewish settlers had been arriving for many years. They had purchased large sections of the land (usually from the few, big Palestinian landowners). By 1948, Palestine was a patchwork of Jews and Palestinians, most of whom were Arabs. That changed dramatically after Israel became a nation state.
War broke out immediately between the new country and surrounding Arab nations. Over 725,000 Palestinians sought refuge in nearby lands, mainly in Lebanon. Following the war, the Israeli government began forcibly removing Palestinians from their lands. It also severely restricted Palestinian civil liberties and participation in the national economy. Between 1948 and 1967, nearly 400 Palestinian villages were completely razed. Almost all farmland owned by Palestinians was confiscated. Palestinian farmers were left with only small parcels of poor land. By the 1970s, more than half of it was in the Negeb desert region. (30)
Religious beliefs about the Promised Land were not the bases of the Zionist movements that called for Israel's creation. What moved early Zionists were concerns for the political and cultural security of Jews. Most of the leading voices and founders of Israel, such as David Ben-Gurion, were secular Jews. Still, an historian points out that most Jewish settlers undoubtedly believed "that they had in some way been chosen to 'redeem the Land' and to displace the modern equivalent of the Philistines and Canaanites." (31) For that reason, secular political leaders drew on Promised Land imagery to justify their politics.
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http://members.fortunecity.com/911/...i-apartheid.htm
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Israel was established as a Jewish state. It was not intended as a state for all of its citizens, Jews and non-Jews alike. Rather, it was primarily envisaged as a state for Jews, that is, a state of which every Jewish individual throughout the world would be a potential citizen. Thus, when the state was unilaterally established on 15 May 1948, it became imperative for its legislative body, the Knesset, to define in law those persons who would qualify as actual or potential citizens, and those who would be excluded - that is, non-Jews in general, and Palestinian Arabs in particular. This was done without undue delay. In 1950 the Israeli Knesset passed two laws: the Law of Return, defining the boundaries of inclusion ('every Jew has the right to immigrate into the country') and the Absentee Property Law, defining the boundaries of exclusion ('absentee'). Under these laws, every Jew throughout the world is legally entitled to become a citizen of the state of Israel upon immigration into the country, while some two million people, the 1948 Palestinian Arabs and their descendants, who were exiled as a consequence of the 1948-9 and the 1967 wars, are denied the rights of citizenship. Nevertheless, their right of return is universally recognized in international law and in repeated UN resolutions (beginning with Resolution 194 (III), 11 December 1948). They clearly exist. Yet, they are defined in Israeli law as 'non-existent', and as 'absentees', and they are excluded by law from actual or potential citizenship in the Jewish state. |
These are but a few of the sites that back up my argument that ISRAEL was founded on the notion of REMOVING the PALESTINIAN population to make way for their pure jewish state.
Do not deny the INDEGINOUS population that was living there for the years prior to 1948.
The Zionist movement did not want to share thisantion with the arabs, that is why it is a JEWISH state. |
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| Yoepus |
Thats nice, what your trying to prove is that Israel conducted a policy of "transfering" Palestinians during or after the 1948 war, yet not even the above unscholarly links backs this up.
Also I LOVED the consistency between your articles:
article 2 states: "Over 725,000 Palestinians sought refuge in nearby lands (after the 1948 war)"
article 3 states: "while some two million people, the 1948 Palestinian Arabs and their descendants, who were exiled as a consequence of the 1948-9 and the 1967 wars, are denied the rights of citizenship (in a 1950 Israeli law)"
Wow!!! That's some damn good sex! 725,000 people turning into 2 million in 2 years! By god, that means mothers (assuming femals are 50% of this population) would have to be churnning out at least 4 babies in a 2 year period.. oh wait thats unhumanly possiblem I forgot, glad your propaganda pieces don't even accept nature as fact (no! its not true Palestinian women can churn out 4 babies in 2 years, honest! They have a unique mass-production technique), it makes them easy targets for disproof. |
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