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how long before you could beatmatch? (pg. 4)
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VIO
well, believe it or not it's true. arsalan posted that he was able to beatmatch his first time as well. remember that trainwrecking and having to making small corrections when the tracks go slightly out of phase are two different things. a trainwreck is a ruined mix. i never said i didn't have to make corrections to the tracks while they were playing but i didn't come close to trainwrecking. mixing records is *so* easy. i could easily tell if two tracks were even slightly out of phase especially with the studio monitors that i use. i started producing two years before i started djing, but the tracks i produced weren't really tracks meant for djs. they were still electronic but not really your standard dj fare. about three months before i started djing i used to load up a bunch of pvd, digweed, sasha and other dj's full sets on my computer and listen to them when i went to bed and let them play all night. i'm sure that helped me train my ear to tell when the beats were even slightly off. as for phasematching that's really easy too. that comes natural for anyone who's produced or was a musician before they started djing. djing in general is just really really easy. once you know how to beatmatch everything else is just cake. about 3 years ago paul oakenfold's agent told paul that djing was easy and that he was just playing other peoples music, no big deal. paul challenged her to play a live set at a club. she practiced for three months and ended up rocking the club. needless to say, oaky lost the bet. anyone can do it. i've never really understood why people are so enamored by djs. all we really do is play two tracks at the same speed and blend them together. it's the easiest job in the music industry. djing is just like anything else. some people pick it up really quickly and some take a bit more practice. just because i was able to do it the first time doesn't make me a better dj then everyone else, i just had lot's of musical training before i started that i'm sure contributed to it. also, i didn't have to learn how to dj i watched some djs and it just "clicked" with me. besides, i never said that i've never trainwrecked. i just didn't then. i was having a good day. |
You forgot one element in your equation, track selection. One thing that seperates the oakenfolds PVDs and tiestos is their ability to rock a crowd with some of the newest stuff and their own stuff.
your right, anyone can beatmatch and blend two tracks together, it is when you can structure a long set to keep the crowd moving that you have become good.
Also, do you use any effects when mixing? |
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| VIO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
You forgot one element in your equation, track selection. One thing that seperates the oakenfolds PVDs and tiestos is their ability to rock a crowd with some of the newest stuff and their own stuff.
your right, anyone can beatmatch and blend two tracks together, it is when you can structure a long set to keep the crowd moving that you have become good.
Also, do you use any effects when mixing? |
you're right, i didn't explain myself. i should have said that mixing is easy not djing. anyone can mix if they can beatmatch, some just produce much better results then others. track selection is the most important aspect of djing and that's what really defines a dj's style. i would rather listen to a dj that has sub-par mixing skills with great track selection then a dj with outstanding mixing skills that mixes tracks all night. yeah i use effects but i use them sparingly. i'll use a filter or flange during a build up to work it a bit and sometimes i'll use some other effects like echo or the sampler in combination with the eqs to create sort of a breakdown and build up in the middle of a long track to break it up a bit. |
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| Boomer187 |
| ^^Ahhh, that makes your post a lot more clear. ;) Now I see we are on the same page. |
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| Nemesis44 |
Actually, you will be surprised by how many people can't beatmatch. And for those of us who stick with it for long enough to get really good so that you understand pitch, key, dancefloor dynamics and mood creation count yourselves lucky. Some fail just through lack of guidance from other DJs and others fail through frustration. Most DJs will never play past the four walls of their bedrooms.
For those of you who don't know...(Vio I know you know this. :) )
Being a good DJ is also about your personality and how you interact with the crowd. Make them watch you and give them an insite as to how you are as an individual. Make each person feel as if you are playing for them personally. Look as if you love what you are doing and you are meant to be there.
If you can do this you will be surprised what you can get away with in terms of mixing. Be an entertainer.
Nem feels down... partied too hard this weekend.
That'll teach me
Nem:confused: |
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| VIO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
^^Ahhh, that makes your post a lot more clear. ;) Now I see we are on the same page. |
yeah, my coffee hadn't kicked in yet this morning. cheers. |
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| Flash Bastard |
| it's not the time what makes the differents but how you use your skills |
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| VIO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flash Bastard
it's not the time what makes the differents but how you use your skills |
what? |
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| IntegraR0064 |
There's really no way to know how long it actually took to learn to beatmatch, since a lot of dj's don't have trained ears at the beginning. Just as someone else said...after like 2 months or something I thought I could beatmatch fine. I listened to one of those sets i made back then though...and holy ...it hurt my ears!
I think i'm pretty consistent now though, after like 8 months. It's been a slow process. |
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| BlInX |
| Hey, well my dad brought me techs sl 5100 old school, the pitch is like in a discman u role it upwards and it goes slower, u role it downwards it goes faster, i was playing some old school records of my dads and i beatmatched my first try... He was surprised... My friend who is djing for 3 years now was surprised... since then i never stopped djing, btw tonight im getting mk2's :) , I think its because my dad was a dj when he was young he used to take me to weddings parties etc... when i was 9 i started playing drums till 12 then i stopped and started playing electric guitar gary more kinda style (blues), anyways thats what I have to say. |
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| DJ Nuclear |
It's been over two years for me and my transitions still aren't all perfect..after about the first year or so I started becoming fairly deft at it, though.
I inititally picked it up very quickly, starting with virtual turntables, but it wasn't really good, I could just align the beats fairly well, but they'd drift quickly. |
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| BlInX |
| Everyone has his own ways of learning, so people have to work hard to take out a 70% in there exam... some people dont even look at there notes (they just listen in class, or read once) and they can get an easy 90% it depends on you... For example me i suck in school but i have passion for music.... thats the only thing that im actually good at.... and I'm happy, even though djing can't make u rich.. |
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| djkonami |
| well I started out on Gemini XL-100's about 2 years ago, and I didnt even know what beatmatching was!! Then about 2 months after that I found out what beatmatching was and kinda how to do it online. I got the money I got a pair of used Technics SL-1200's. I say it took me about 10 months to be able to spin a whole set fairly well. Now I have a pair of Technics SL-1210M3D's and a Allen & Heath Xone:62 Mixer. I can beatmatch most of the time no problem now, of course I have my days but.. who doesnt!!!! I just dont have too much time for it because of work and all.. |
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