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| torontotrance |
| That's ing bull imo. I wonder where you got that from, I bet the author did not take into account that Toronto is a world leader in multiculturalism. Yes the best person should get the job but I mean in Toronto (CITY of 5.087 MILLION PPL), we have 76 cultures and 122 diff languages, in one city. We do it quite well (60 murders a year) and we don't have the racist problems that the other cities (now I'm not denying it exists...it must in a city this large) but we seem to accept everyone for the most part in Toronto. We love our diverse nature and look at us....we are a model of multiculturalism everywhere. People need to take the toronto model and apply it elsewhere. I mean I love multiculturalism because you get to meet so many ppl from so many different places and learn so much about everyone. |
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| dj adagnitio |
| I agree that Toronto is a world leader in the area. However there are still huge problems. For example racial profiling which is now a big issue over there. |
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| torontotrance |
depends who you believe
the cops say they don't use it (then again...i think almost every police force on earth has used it)
the media say they do
personally, I've never seen it....or known anyone who has had that happen. Why blame toronto for racial profiling...that is a worldwide issue. It is illegal for cops to use it here anyway....they risk heavy lawsuits.
Anyway the multiculturalism still stands......
the racial profiling was with the black community...not people who are different...they picked one race more often....according to the paper.
MOst cops that I know, don't use it and won't use it. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Now I know this somewhat falls into exactly what you are referring to as racial collectivism, and that the individual in of itself is not so much accounted for as the group. However, when a group has less likelihood to succeed, then I think exceptions should be made to give equal opportunity, which is what I think Affirmative Action supporters believe.
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I must disagree with you here. As you've said in your post, about 12% of whites and 33% of blacks and hispanics are poor. So yes, with affirmative action, those numbers will balance out more, as the number of poor blacs will decrease while the number of poor whites will increase. Still, the overall amount of people living in poverty won't change, while the overall quality of highly educated workers will. Besides, it's not like blacks have any more handicaps than white people which prevent them from succeeding in life. |
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| dj adagnitio |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
depends who you believe
the cops say they don't use it (then again...i think almost every police force on earth has used it)
the media say they do
personally, I've never seen it....or known anyone who has had that happen. Why blame toronto for racial profiling...that is a worldwide issue. It is illegal for cops to use it here anyway....they risk heavy lawsuits.
Anyway the multiculturalism still stands......
the racial profiling was with the black community...not people who are different...they picked one race more often....according to the paper.
MOst cops that I know, don't use it and won't use it. |
Why would you believe the cops? in the last year they've had their whole drug squad charged with extortion and some other stuff, lost several lawsuits where they were alleged to have savagely beaten homeless people and been found to be racially profiling.
and its not the media who said that, its a statistician hired by the toronto star who made the findings. The police talked about suing but never got anywhere with it because the finding were very solid.
and I do know people who have been victims. Someone I know who is black and drives a jaguar says he has been routinely stopped because they think he stole it. |
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| King_Mack |
Arbiter..awesome ING post man!!
I decided to show my friend your post..and this is what she has to respond to it. Id love for you to comment. Thanks mate!
| quote: | | Instead of embracing racial, ethnic, or cultural diversity, we should be embracing individual diversity. Instead of classifying one another into various races, ethnicities, and cultural identities, we must recognize each and every one of us as an individual. |
I agree completely with you in this regard. Any denomination such as race, gender, age etc should not define a person. Their ability should define them. With this said how in all this do you tie in that the concept of ‘multiculturalism’ exacerbates racism? You may attribute too much to the definition of multiculturalism itself. It really only means as you said many cultures residing harmoniously within close quarters. I am not sure about anyone else but when I hear the word it has a positive connotation to it. The negative connotations you attribute to the concept arise from broad extrapolations. Note within the definition of multiculturalism itself there is a sense of many cultures intermingling amicably. An example would be mosaic shows hosted at some high schools where students from different backgrounds educate each other about their respective cultures. How does this exacerbate racism? Does it not actually work towards overcoming racism, which is mainly caused by ignorance due to lack of exposure to many different races/cultures other than ones own? When you speak of such policies as affirmative action it is not really a multicultural policy. It is more of a race issue. In a work environment there might indeed be a policy in place to eradicate racism through affirmative action by means of hiring visible minorities. In this case they might have a quota on how many brown people to hire and how many black people to hire and so on.
This is purely a skin color issue. An individual who hails from Jamaica possesses different cultural ideals than an individual who comes from some remote area in Africa. What is the common denominator between these individuals? It’s that they are black. Affirmative action couldn’t give a damn about their culture. The policy only cares as far as there is visibly a black person (a minority race) in place somewhere within the organization. Your criticism of multiculturalism based on bogus policies cooked up by politicians with their agendas fails because the policies did not take culture into account at all. True definition of multiculturalism accounts for ‘culture’. In North America the Western culture as a whole has become enmeshed with the Eastern cultures so much so that it is hard to distinguish where one begins and the other ends. Individuals just pick and choose at their own discretion as to which bits they like and don’t and form their own culture. On a tangent (off topic a bit) this may be the reason for the moral decay of the current world today. It is important to note that culture does not solely define any single individual but it does enrich ones life. Without culture there would be no traditions, no art, no past history worth revising etc…I think you get the point. Unless you are arguing towards one single global culture (which would be quite bland and questionable as to its feasibility) the concept of multiculturalism rules! |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Now, after thinking about the subject a bit, I'd say it's not that much of a bad idea to educate people about other cultures, as much as it is the lousy representation. The truth is that many kids in the western world, and especially in the US don't know anything about other cultures. I believe they should be educated a bit on those matters, but not in a way that culturally diverse teachers educate children on regular subjects. A more formalized solution should take place, like introducing a new subject on that matter, which would be taught by regular teacher, regardless of his/her background. |
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| LouisLaBelle |
| I live in French Canada but travel to France every year and have many freinds there. I actually talk to regular French citizens. Who are Catholic and French blooded. The French people have had enough of Chirac he is destroying Catholism in France and the French culture, by inviting millions of muslims into the country who are on there way to destroying French life. From talking to the people I have seen alot more racial hatred towards Muslims in France than I ever have in the last 10 Years. If people think multiculturalism is good you need to take a look at public schools in France, Britian and Canada. I went to a public school in Canada. Trust me nobody talked with eachother that whole school was separated into different ethnic groups. Witch caused violence all over the school between ethnic groups in Montreal especially between Catholic and Muslim. The western worlds furture is an White power extremision witch will kill many muslims if they keep attacking Christian Beliefs. If you want to know the future take a look into multicultural countries publis schools, the kids will show you. |
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| dj adagnitio |
| My entire life until university was in Toronto, the most multicultural place in the world (I think). I went to several schools there and saw very little of what your describing. If you honestly think that segregating people is the answer then maybe you should go take a look through your history text books. |
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| LouisLaBelle |
| Was I talking about university you goof. University has highly educated people of course there not going to act violent like how i was describing. I said a public high school. Most immigrants by the way come here because they are uneducated scum. Why do you think they come here in the first place. Read history! every race that has felt threatened by a immigrating group has resorted to violence throughout history, Yugoslavia muslim immigration, Germany jewish immigration, Canaan jewish immigration, Spain moorish immigration, shall I go on all have eneded in horrible violence. Sorry but you need to read your history. |
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| dj adagnitio |
| was I talking about university you goof. Go back and read what I wrote. |
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| LouisLaBelle |
| Canada has not experienced much ethnic violence because are economy is so good. And we keep the minorities happy with all our great social programs. When are economy falls the majority is going to want that money the minorities well be blamed. It is ivevitable that when the western world economy is in down turn again, there will be violence exactly what happened in Nazi Germany. Economy fails ethnic groups blame each other. And you can't deny that this will happen exactly how I say. |
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