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Bush to Announce Mission to Mars, Moon (pg. 2)
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
WTF is running around Bush's brain. Ok.. I find astronomical things very interesting, I would love to see this mission to mars and the moon happen on my lifetime, perhaps .. NOW!!.. but, COME UP! wake the heck up! ( Im been agressive sorry ). How much money have we spend on sending those robots that have failed allready. The technology is not there yet, not until a brilliang and very secure project is reached id probably agree, but not now. Not when there are plenty of other important things to do. It would have sounded nicer on the Clinton era, when this country had a surplus++. Now we dont really have that much of a luxury, but yeah.. the US can give itself that luxury, but when it comes to just puking money like that, I just wont agree. First things first. Improve the technology, fixe the Iraq problem, give the US back to the golden times ( try at least ), lower unemployment, fix the social security/health care issues/and retirement. Until then, its not appropiatte to commit to something of this caliber. |
Actually the technology is there. That's the thing ... our capability to go to Mars now is much greater than the capability we had to go to the moon when Kennedy made his promise in early 60's. The thing is is that there hasn't been a national effort and committment to do so. Now is simply not the time to do so due to budgetary constraints. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Well, regardless of the american financial problems, you better hurry up unless you want to see the chinese get there first. :p |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well, regardless of the american financial problems, you better hurry up unless you want to see the chinese get there first. :p |
Sorry DrUg_Tit0 do you mean to imply before or after they copy our designs to get there, knowing how the Chinese are masters at ripping off the primo technological accomplishments from others. From TV's, VCR's, DVD's Operating System piracy, you name it and you will find it being bootlegged in China. Too bad the Chinese will have to wait for us to get there before they can copy it as well, they just launched their first man into space a couple of months ago:stongue: |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Sorry DrUg_Tit0 do you mean to imply before or after they copy our designs to get there, knowing how the Chinese are masters at ripping off the primo technological accomplishments from others. From TV's, VCR's, DVD's Operating System piracy, you name it and you will find it being bootlegged in China. Too bad the Chinese will have to wait for us to get there before they can copy it as well, they just launched their first man into space a couple of months ago:stongue: |
nah, seriously, i find it very likly that the chinese will be the first on mars, perhaps that's why bush want to go there SOON... |
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| failsafe |
| It's going to be ages before anyone sees the face of mars. A lot of things could and will change from then. Just because the chinese have pirated software, and rip off clothing doesn't mean they ripped off space shuttle design. By that logic the russians were the first up there so the yanks must have copied? |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Sorry DrUg_Tit0 do you mean to imply before or after they copy our designs to get there, knowing how the Chinese are masters at ripping off the primo technological accomplishments from others. From TV's, VCR's, DVD's Operating System piracy, you name it and you will find it being bootlegged in China. Too bad the Chinese will have to wait for us to get there before they can copy it as well, they just launched their first man into space a couple of months ago:stongue: |
Well, considering the fact that the technology is already existant, and that the US space program is stagnating, I wouldn't be surprised if the chinese beat you to it. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well, considering the fact that the technology is already existant, and that the US space program is stagnating, I wouldn't be surprised if the chinese beat you to it. |
Except they stole our rocket technology to put a man into space ;)
But in all seriousness, it's quite laughable to think the Chinese have the wherewithall to surpass NASA in the expertise/technological development it is going to take to launch a manned mission to mars. NASA has a 50 year history for this sort of thing, and they have technology accumulated from previous decades of space exploration as a solid backdrop. When the chinese manage to develop the technology necessary to put a space station in space and have a reusuable orbiter then I might take them seriously. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Except they stole our rocket technology to put a man into space ;) |
sorry i can be terribly wrong here, but didn't the americans steal sovjets rocket technology in the very first place? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
sorry i can be terribly wrong here, but didn't the americans steal sovjets rocket technology in the very first place? |
I don't believe so. Everybody stole from the Germans who were years ahead. The Soviet-American ICBM programs were largely developed concurrentely although the Soviets did develop the first ICBM a year earlier than the Americans.
The new Atlas 5 rocket DOES use Soviet designed engines that was designed by the Soviets for a moon rocket but were abandoned and forgotten in the 70's (after the successful American moon landing) until they were rediscovered in the 90's by a private company. |
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| failsafe |
| quote: | | NASA has a 50 year history for this sort of thing |
I'd arge that. In 1954 the space race didn't exist. You're at least a decade off as a minimum figure. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Actually the technology is there. That's the thing ... our capability to go to Mars now is much greater than the capability we had to go to the moon when Kennedy made his promise in early 60's. The thing is is that there hasn't been a national effort and committment to do so. Now is simply not the time to do so due to budgetary constraints. |
- Well, some technology might be there, but the technology available, its not good enough.-Take for instance the Space Station. The technology is there right?!?!.. then lets finish that project up. Theres been so many problems with it, and the estimates of its costs have tremendously surpased the amount thought.- Man has gone only once to the moon ( supposedly ).. but like I said, and as you said, theres no luxury now to invest such a humongous amount of money now. I would agree with MrOpous with that this probably IS a distraction thing, and for the president to show the nation that he has a different vision that sounds agressive, and that he wont be that normal president that would take hold of office, but thats another subjet. I would rather stick around sending more robots to mars instead ( even though that too would cost $$$ ).. but that I would agree to some extend instead of just throwing money of on visions that havent been studied. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Sorry DrUg_Tit0 do you mean to imply before or after they copy our designs to get there, knowing how the Chinese are masters at ripping off the primo technological accomplishments from others. From TV's, VCR's, DVD's Operating System piracy, you name it and you will find it being bootlegged in China. Too bad the Chinese will have to wait for us to get there before they can copy it as well, they just launched their first man into space a couple of months ago:stongue: |
- Im sure that Japanese came up with the ideas first, and americans ripped off chinese, ( or traded ).. so basically, Chinese are stealing from Japanese.:p |
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