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Bush to Announce Mission to Mars, Moon (pg. 4)
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Well I don't think anybody is going to be disillusioned into forgetting Iraq :rolleyes:. And once again, it's far too early for it to be any kind of election bid. It's a good plan that doesn't necessarily have to be associated with anything else other than national pride/scientific endeavor. |
While it does seem reasonable, I was not eluding to Iraq when I said something is wrong with this country :rolleyes: . I'll give you a hint: deficit. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
While it does seem reasonable, I was not eluding to Iraq when I said something is wrong with this country :rolleyes: . I'll give you a hint: deficit. |
Yes and in the grand scheme of the NASA budget what Bush is proposing is not unreasonable. The majority of the funds directed at this effort will come out of NASA's existing budget. Which is the primary reason why I'm in support of the plan.
And the average American knows peanuts about the ramifications of long term deficits. And those who actually study and are aware of its impact are unlikely swayed by this "disguise", so I sincerely doubt this masterful plan was engineered in an effort to quell those fears. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
Does anyone else see the problem for itself? Does anyone see that Bush tries to divert the American peoples' mindsets with these things whenever something is wrong with the country? |
- I see it, and it came out of nowhere. All of the sudden, he remembers he has a friend called Mexico, he remembers that inmigrants help this countries economy, and he dreamed of making a mission to mars.. all on 2004, election year.. hehe.. but yeah, this is another subject. Lets see if he will throw this project onto his speeches to be reelected... ( Sees Occrider getting :mad: and ready to kill me :p ). Like I said, I love this NASA stuff, I just dont find the moment apropriate. |
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| imokruok |
Ummm...really, when is the appropriate moment for you guys? Because there's an election coming up in 11 MONTHS, does that mean he can't do anything as President? He should just sit on his hands? Please... It was like Cong. Jim McDermott who said that Saddam's capture was political exploitation for the election. What should the US have done? Hold him for a year?
The fact of the matter is that Bush is President and has a job to do, while the Democrats are trying to get that job. They can campaign all they want, but Bush still has a country to run. The term of an American President is 4 years, not 3. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
- I see it, and it came out of nowhere. All of the sudden, he remembers he has a friend called Mexico, he remembers that inmigrants help this countries economy, and he dreamed of making a mission to mars.. all on 2004, election year.. hehe.. but yeah, this is another subject. Lets see if he will throw this project onto his speeches to be reelected... ( Sees Occrider getting :mad: and ready to kill me :p ). Like I said, I love this NASA stuff, I just dont find the moment apropriate. |
Haha we're all entitled to our opinions :p. I only get upset at conspiracy theories ... and not at the person, just the conspiracy :)
There's always a margin of unknown in every matter of debate. So for instances such as this, yes it could be an election ploy. However, taking everything in consideration, I would disagree, however, I'm not absolutely certain. The only times I get upset is when a person is clinging to a theory to the point of irrationality :D |
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| Yoepus |
First let me say this is perfect timing! Bush proposed NASA after NASA made a success! What a better time to support NASA and get people behind NASA then when NASA has just completed/begun an excellent mission on mars, which attracted and got the attention and support of millions the world over all by itself. Why not back that institution at that time?? I also belive had NASA failed with its Mars probe like the British beagle, Bush would not have made this policy change in support of NASA at all. It would have been put a pipe dream. The successful NASA rover gave Bush this opprotunity and he took it.
Bush, and his father have always wanted a bigger space program. The Sr. was denied his request in congress... namely because he didn't time it so well.
Second of all I will state my bias: I believe Bush feels VERY secure with his bid at re-election, ESPECIALLY if Dean is the democratic front-runner, and I do not believe Bush is even really considering the campaigning and politiking of the next election to a large degree, I believe it motivates very little of his daily agenda..
maybe a few minutes everyday.
I would say Bush's Space proposal has less to do with politics then the timing of the successful space mission recently completed to mars. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| All I have to say is that better the money be spent on the Space Program that needed a second look at anyway as opposed to the negative aspects of Wars, so what's the problem again. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
All I have to say is that better the money be spent on the Space Program that needed a second look at anyway as opposed to the negative aspects of Wars, so what's the problem again. |
I agree, better spend money on NASA than social welfare IMO as well. NASA is education, and you are reward with technological developments which all of us can later share. |
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| failsafe |
| yah it's best to go to mars when people are living in slums. a massive amount of people are without health care. schools are only for the rich. the deficit is larger than it's ever been. yah it's best to go to mars. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
yah it's best to go to mars when people are living in slums. a massive amount of people are without health care. schools are only for the rich. the deficit is larger than it's ever been. yah it's best to go to mars. |
Then it shall be up to the voters of the United States of America to deterimine that now won't it. I just find it so funny to see so many non-Americans agregiously blast Bush for proposing this as a gimmick. Every taxpaying American citizen has the right to vote and if they don't like the president's policy they can do something in November so I wish people would spare me the usual speeches on Americas domestic problems as though every other nation doesn't have in its own way its own slums, lack of health care, expensive schools and deficit problems. Now multiply that on a larger scale when it comes to a nation the size of America. You would believe that America was Russia when it comes to social problems. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Then it shall be up to the voters of the United States of America to deterimine that now won't it.
Every taxpaying American citizen has the right to vote and if they don't like the president's policy they can do something in November (...). |
The problem is that only about half of the people exercise their rights, and with that, it seems that they are almost always swayed by the candidate who has the strongest and most heavily financed campaign. It's not like we are given the greatest choices of candidates, either.
http://www.usavotenet.com/images/totalturnout.gif
Add that to the fact that big business is commingling with big government in special-interest politics and you have a system that almost caters to those that are eager to embrace the spoils of corruption.
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsj...a/0312200a.html
http://www.commoncause.org/justwatc...eer&pioneerID=8 |
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| NeoPhono |
| If we are expecting all of the worlds problems (or even just those of the United States) to be solved before we venture into space, we will never again leave the confines of earth. Poverty and slums are both subjective terms, and are based soley on your point of view. The poverty level and living conditions of a "poor" American, and I would venture to say a "poor" average earth citizen are higher today than at any other time in our history. Unfortunatly, we will always be battling our own human nature, and with that human nature we will have sickness, poverty and suffering. Even in the face of these "injustices" we must continue to move on. This means socially as well as technologically. We will never solve all of humanities problems on earth, and to put off of the exploration of space and the furthering of humanity in this futile effort is both naive and vain. |
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