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What do you guys do when you're out of beat ? (pg. 3)
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| Nemesis44 |
Tony De Vit was a bloody genious. Fergie (his nephew) is a monster of a DJ and frankly deserves higher rankings than he got this year. Most of the pros don't touch the platter.
In answer to the original poster... I forget who it was after reading the rantings of various folk.
I would recomend to all who don't to try and learn to do it with the pitch. Your corrections will become smoother and you will avoid reactive compensation that you get from touching the platter.
I find that it's quicker when it comes to beatmatching too.
Best thing to do in the situation of a knock if you can't pitch it up in some way is to just quick fade it. There's a good chance it will be out of phrase anyways and will make the mix sound pants.
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Freak's comment was along the lines of if PvD was telling you to jump off a cliff top would you do it... not a dig at gay people. That's the way I read it at least.
In this business the last thing you can afford to be is homophobic and that's something to keep in mind. Gay people are the lifeblood of many clubs and without them there wouldn't be the atmosphere that it has.
Besides failsafe. I seem to recal that you called me and some others 'Elitist Arses' for which you had no provocation or offered any explanation. Perhaps it's me making the mistake of reading tone of voice into your posts but they frequently come across as quite hostile (an obsevation not an accusation). Compared to a lot of forums this one is quite friendly and it would be pretty nice to keep it that way. People don't think the same and we all make mistakes.
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Anyways... time to go to work.
Cheers
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| failsafe |
nem: get off your soap box. If you don't like my posts put me on ignore and your life can return to utopia.
the fact is he didn't talk about pvd jumping off a cliff. He talked about a homosexual having anal sex. Quite the tasteless analogy if you ask me. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
nem: get off your soap box. If you don't like my posts put me on ignore and your life can return to utopia. |
LOL, whatever... So you can say about me and I'm supposed to ignore it while you can jump on people for their comments as you please?
| quote: | | the fact is he didn't talk about pvd jumping off a cliff. He talked about a homosexual having anal sex. Quite the tasteless analogy if you ask me. |
But I don't recal anyone ever asking you...
Besides let's talk about soap boxes... eh? Who named you defender of all the gay folk in this world?
I live in Brighton, England which is known for it's large gay communities so it's not possible to not know someone who is gay where I live. I can assure you that most of they gay people I know would probably have just made a wisecrack back and that would be the end of it. You should also hear some of the things they say about straight folk but I can live with it. But even if they do I never see anyone rushing to defend a white hetrosexual male from minorities groups.
But I'll go back to my Utopia as you put it and you can go back to your totally PC lifestile as I'm sure that someone with the moral calibre of your own self would ever have been guilty of any such comments ever.
You have issues of your own mate.
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| razzi |
to the original poster:
if the table is bumped or paper falls on the vinyl or whatever, and the needles skips a groove. trying to fix it and continue the mix usually sounds pretty bad, since the tracks will be out of phrase. some good ways to recover:
a) cut to new tune (can be way too harsh though)
b) slow down one platter to get the beats matched, and then quickly fade out because the tunes are out of phrase
c) cut the bass in original track, and then slowly fade the rest
d) whip out a nice spin back, it can sound damn nice if done properly. ('spin back': spin the original track backwards VERY QUICKLY, and end it at the beginning of the next set of beats.)
i usually do b or c, a sounds too harsh, and d only works if the placement is right. |
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| Jellow |
If i cant get it back on beat within 10 seconds or so,I just fade out the old track as soon as possible.
More people will notice a trainwreck and will hammer you on that..a quick transaction wont be that bad,sometimes it even sounds good :)
And ofcourse you can hide it by doing lots of equalizerstuff after you quickly faded out the old track,so people will forget the bad things and listen to your tricks ;) |
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| skytrancegirl |
| usually i can tell right away if the beats start going off, and i know wether of not i need to speed it up or slow it down, so i just touch the record to fix it, then adjust the pitch, i think as long as your just touching the record slightly it's ok. i haven't mastered just using the pitch yet |
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| Dmatrox |
| I just push the record label to make it go faster, or touch the record label in short touches to make it slow down. I dont like to mess with the pitch after its all beatmatched perfectly while the channel is audible. |
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| HardTrance81 |
The obviouse answer is to fix the issue with out touching the live record. That is a given. Touching the live record is like a guitarist in a band that stops playing in the midst of performing a song cause they missed a beat while the rest of the group carries on. Instant buzz-kill. If I was at the bar listening to that, you would instantly be on my "sh*t-list." dj or not, the people will notice a derailment like that. So dont screw up.
And if you are so worried about the issue, why not create the "what if" scenario at home and practice repairing the mishap at home. This way, should you encounter the occasion out side of your bedroom you can deal with the situation accordingly and gracefully, and the crowd would never have known it happened.
Besides, it's good exercise. Practice fixing the beat with the plate, practice fixing the beat with pitch control. You know which record is incorrect (not the live one), listen well and figure out if it is ahead or behind and do what it takes. Simple.
practice till you can do it either way fluently. and then practice it some more. and then when your done, try it again. If you have trouble doing anything, practice it till you can do it in your sleep, then wake up...... and start practicing it again. |
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| Texaggie79 |
| Don't have turntables yet, but if I start playing spots with them, I imagine I will start off doing a lot of back spinning. Until I actually became interested in DJing, I always thought that was a cool ass sound that a talented DJ could make. |
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| beema |
I read an interview with Adam Freeland about what he does, so I've done the same ever since: with the pitch fader, quickly pitch-up or pitch-down and then quickly return to a little above or a little below where you were before.
Usually works pretty well once you get the hang of it.
But remember to try and NEVER do it when you are on a bit of melody or strings or something...sounds like total . If you are on a bit of the track where it is only percussion then you are gravy ;) |
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| technosoul |
i always use the pitch. I find it easier, and i find it more of a controlled way of manipulating the record.
Someone mentioned Max Graham's analogy in this thread. Here is his analogy of always using the pitch slider to adjust.
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Think of mixing records as two cars speeding down the highway side by side. If one falls behind you don't get out and push it to make it catch up. You step down on the accelerator and then ease off when you've caught up. |
techno soul!! |
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| progressivepey |
i definitely agree that the pitch slider is the best way to correct the beat while maintaining a smooth mix... however not all djs would agree with me. max graham may think one way, but if you listen very closely to the live sets of paul van dyk, you will realize that he touches the record.. not the pitch slider. it's a given that not every transition you put together will be beatmatched 100%, so it makes sense that you will need a method to correct it. you can practice mixing for five years and still not be able to match every beat perfectly. you do need some method of correction, but which one you choose is up to you. i find using the pitch sliders makes the transition sound much smoother, but then it falls out of place easier because you just changed the speed of the record that you had originally matched the beat with.. but what i usually do is touch the label of the record very slightly and then compensate by moving the pitch slider very little in the right direction. this should match up the two records and they should match beats from now on because you fixed the speeds so they match. it makes for a smooth transition that i can hardly tell i've done, much less the crowd who is listening.
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