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| Renegade |
Yeah I agree with metabeing. Seeing the world as nothing more than a collection of molecules is like thinking of music as nothing more than mathematcially syncipated noise. Sure that's all that music is essentially, but you're still free to attach your own meaning to it. Same with the universe: just because it's all atoms when you get down to it, it still doesn't make it all any less special. You've got to view the bigger picture: all meaning is subjective, life is only meaningless if don't have the creativity to assign meaning to it -- if there's only one thing I learnt from Albert Camus' L'Etranger it was that.
And this is why I don't believe in god. If there is a god then all this becomes meaningless: why didn't he make everything 100 times prettier? Why did he allow evil to flourish? Why did he leave us out here so cold and alone and without any answers? If there is a god, then this is a very disappointing existence.
If, on the other hand, like me you accept the fact that there is no god, then everything opens up. You begin to appreciate nature and your place in the universe, because instead of wondering why god "didn't make it better" you realise that this is all there is and how beautiful existence is considering none of it had to exist at all. You feel privilaged to be alive if you can understand this view clearly enough and be constantly aware of it, because you realise what a privilage existance is in the first place. I mean just think of how tiny the odds of your existence are. Think of all the things that could have gone wrong to have prevented you from ever existing. What if your grandmother had fallen pregnant one month later than she did? What if humans hadn't been forced to evolve because of climactic changes in Africa some 200,000 years ago? What if the Earth had been destroyed in a collision with a massive body about 4.6 billion years ago?
Just remember that you've only got one shot at it. See all this around you? It may not be perfect, but it's all that you've got. Besides, there's always someone worse off than you, keep that in mind too. I forget who said it now, but someone once said:
"It is only once you resign yourself to the notion that heaven doesn't exist, that god doesn't exist and that this existence is the only existence that you shall be ever have the privilage of owning that you can be truly happy."
Or something like that anyway. I know it sounds new-age or whatever, but the very fact that you exist goes against all laws of probability and makes life in itself very special. Just don't take anything for granted, because in 70 years it'll all be gone. I guess that's the best advice I can offer anyone. :) |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Metabeing
With that arguement you are getting into the whole countably infinite vs uncountably infinite debate. Anyone that has taken a discreete mathmatics course knows what im talking about...they are not fun.
Basically if something can be mapped onto the set of natural numbers and is infinate it is countably infinate, say like the number of days that have the number 3 in them. Something is uncountalbly infinite if i cannot be mappped to the natural numbers, say a list of all numbers between 3.45 and 3.46.
Man school doesnt start back up for 3 weeks and im already talking about this...
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Yeah but I'm saying that while infinity is impossible to measure in itself (i.e. you can't measure all the numbers between 3.45 and 3.46) you can still designate specific localities within the infinity and ensure that they're finite in nature.
So, even though the amount of numbers between 3.45 and 3.46 is infinate, if I predetermine the number in advance (say 3.455) it may fall within the infinity but still be finite in nature, because I limited the scope to a sample constituting less than the whole (i.e., in this case, anything less than infinity - any finite number).
So even though the infinity between 3.45 and 3.46 is unmappable in itself, we can still give a predetermined number (3.455) or set of numbers {3.451, 3.452, 3.453, etc.} that are finite in nature, are mappable, and yet fall inside an otherwise unmappable infinity.
Erm, am I making sense? |
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| Metabeing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Erm, am I making sense? |
Your making perfect sense. I was just trying to give people that dont understand this side tracked topic a little background:)
And keep the mathematics/physics philosophy coming I live for it.
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| Renegade |
| quote: | | Your making perfect sense. I was just trying to give people that dont understand this side tracked topic a little background |
Haha, ah okay gotcha. :)
| quote: | | And keep the mathematics/physics philosophy coming I live for it. |
Yeah philosophy and music are my two great loves, dunno where I'd be without them. With philosophy in particular though, it just gives you a completely different perspective on life - I bloody love it (just hope everyone else shares my enthusiasm otherwise I think I will have bored a few people witless by now). :) |
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| Fraggle |
err...Yevat!!! go outside and get some fresh air!!! :):):)
ya, it seems pretty deep thoughts u got here...but i think also kinda disturbing too :p
hmm i have tried to look at things as if it were all just molecules and atoms and often just sit or lie somewhere and think abstract thoughts, but how can u question there is no life!?!?!?
live ur life with no regrets...don't waste ur time worrying about things that will never bother you...take some time to enjoy the journey & meet lotsa wonderful people along ur way!!! :):):) |
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| Metabeing |
| hehe fraggle your avatar is so cute |
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| Fraggle |
heheheh!!!
ya, i found him on a local radio station site...just changed the colours to suit :):):) |
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| The []Drodigy |
| Hey Fraggle please check ur pm box. |
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| Sugarbean |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paul Wilson
For once I take Yevat's side. This DJ-lame piece of only came on here to give me abuse. He is a ing tosser! |
you know paul...
weve had are differences before...and now its all ova again...
i liked it better when you decided not to post in the chill forum...i dont know why you decided to return in the first place. when you did return your posts were good...now their getting out of hand again. go away...do us all a favor leave this forum the same way you did before unless you decided to post thinks other than calling people "ing tosser" cuz that is uncalled for and just makes people turn away from these forums...do you notice how many usual regulars dont post as much anymore? hmm...think about it. who wants to post on a board where people are callin peeps names and for their opinions...pfft..grow up
and to yevat..ill post more later but for now...
go out...have a drink...mix your molecules wth the likes of a fine female...heh that will brighten your day... |
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| torontotrance |
| Steven Hawkings is a great scientist but a flawed evolutionist. Have the scientists found the so called gap in the fossil theory, i think not. Do they realize the 2nd law of thermodynamics?, which states basically that the earth is going to order to disorder not disorder to order as they think. Do they realize that the carbon-14, argon-14 dating systems are really inaccurate. In my book, scientists refuse to believe the truth which is God created the world cause they are so ignorant and blind. In my opinion we have to have a purpose in life or then life is really not just worth living. (Just a random venting), don't worry if you believe in the big bang theory or that some of this stuff is above. Believe what you want to believe i say. |
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| Fraggle |
| quote: | Originally posted by The []Drodigy
Hey Fraggle please check ur pm box. |
ahhh, yeah i sent an e-mail reply Prodigy...'cos ur pm box was full :p:p:p
err, check ur email then :)!!! |
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| UnMannedSwine |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Steven Hawkings is a great scientist but a flawed evolutionist. Have the scientists found the so called gap in the fossil theory, i think not. Do they realize the 2nd law of thermodynamics?, which states basically that the earth is going to order to disorder not disorder to order as they think. Do they realize that the carbon-14, argon-14 dating systems are really inaccurate. In my book, scientists refuse to believe the truth which is God created the world cause they are so ignorant and blind. In my opinion we have to have a purpose in life or then life is really not just worth living. (Just a random venting), don't worry if you believe in the big bang theory or that some of this stuff is above. Believe what you want to believe i say. |
I thought everyone knew the second law of thermodynamics. |
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