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Are We Real? (pg. 5)
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| Gloomy |
We will never know what's the exact external purpose of out life. What's clear for me, is the fact that we are part of an evolution. Why is the human body so sophisticated? Not because something like a god had an original invention...but cause of some casualnesses in the past. Some theories say that billion years ago, some 'animals' who lived in the water, left the water to go living on the earth, so they got some another breath system, they evoluated to apes, which was already a great evolution, and then there was us :). So, the reason why we are here...for me it's cause of some casualnesses who pushed the evolution in that particulary way. So, actualy, there is no purpose, it's just a random way of the evolution.
BUT !!!
I feel many who are reading this now, will be thinking, ok what a dark view of life. Well, if you read the first line, I said, there's no 'external' purpose. So, what I mean is, you have to give life a purpose by yourself. Not by a god (I don't believe at all in God), not by some aliens, just by yourself! You have to believe in the human power, and with that power, you have to make a party of every day of your life. With that way of living, you don't worry anymore about little disappoinments in life. E.g. you can't go to a party cause of ... let's say you don't have a car to get there. Well, ok, it's not nice, but...no reason to be down, there will still many other parties you can go to. Just believe in your own human power and you will reach things you never thought off. That's why I also love trance: some trance tracks (actually, there aren't many) it's like that human power has been translated into music, you feel the power of the artist who made it. There aren't many music styles in which that is possible. It's just the content of the white phrase at the bottom of every reply I type or every subject I type.......
And that's why I hate some f*cking superficial people who worry about all sort of little things and don't see the other things anymore.
Ok it's also important you still enjoy life and don't think too much about its sence. Going out, partying, it's also very important. As long as there's 'that deeper me'. I hate it when people are jumping and clasping there hands on a trance track that's actually rather emotional. They just don't see or feel the power of it, for them, it's just some enjoying, no more. It's important you can make fun with friends, but you have to be serious/deeper also when it's needed.
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| Palivar |
Are you in a dream? Are you in somebody else's dream? Perhaps you are now being dreamt by the REAL you. Or perhaps you are a self-aware hologram in a tremendously advanced and sophisticated computer program that is being run by future humans or even by space aliens as part of a grand recreation of an extinct humanity. Or maybe some god-like entities have created all of us for their own real-life chess games. Or maybe still, God is running a live beta simulation of us because he wants to perfect His creation before deploying the final versions of us. Or perhaps YOU are the ultimate lab rat being studied and tested by everybody around you and I'm simply the person in your life who's supposed to clue you in and see how you respond. Or perhaps this reality is just what it is...nobody can ever be certain. But what you do know is that there IS something here, there IS a reality, whatever it may be, and it's all around you. Beyond that, you are ultimately left with...uncertainty.
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| StereoPrincess |
and you guys say he doesn't post with the subject.
i have always wondered if the life i am living is a dream and the dreams are what are reality. |
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| Metabeing |
I like Orange Tic-Tacs. They are delicious.
Sorry had to cut the mind shattering discussion a bit. My brain was begining to melt and leak out of my ear. |
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| QuickStep |
I once choked on a tic-tac.
That's all my brain could send to me after reading you're guys insight. I thought I understood myself pretty well, now this! :eyes: :eek: :eek: :eyes: :eek:
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| Renegade |
. I was in the middle of writing a really long respone to torontotrance's post and then my computer screwed up. I guess you'll just have to make do with the "expurgated" version.
On the second law of thermodynamics:
This law (which states that entropy should increase over time) is only applicable to closed systems. But the Earth is not a closed system, it's an open system as it's getting a constant stream of energy from the sun. So, even though the amount of order in the closed solar system is almost certainly decreasing, within the open Earth system order doesn't necessarily have to decrease at all. So, because of the sun, the spontaneous origin of life in no way violates the second law of thermodynamics, as any reputable scientist will tell you.
On the gaps in the fossil record:
Firstly there aren't any significant gaps in the evolutionary record. Secondly, even if there were, this should come as no suprise given the overall rarity of fossilisation in nature (it requires quite specific conditions). Would you mind telling me where exactly these evolutionary gaps lie?
On Carbon-14 dating:
Though I'm not too sure on the processes here, so far as I understand it Carbon-14 dating seeks to measure the rate of (constant) carbon decay in any given sample, thus being able to date this sample. I can prove to you that it is accurate: take any rock from any stratum in the world, then travel half way across the world, take a sample from the same stratum, measure them both, and you will get the same age for each of the samples, even though they were taken from locations thousands of miles away from each other. Similarly, the higher you go up in the rock strata, the younger the rocks become, the lower you go the older they become, consistantly and uniformally. This is in complete agreement with all known scientific theories about sedimentary deposits, and it is incredibly unlikely that you would find this sort of uniformality if either of the tests were inaccurate (i.e. the results would be completely random, not highly ordered and verifiable as they are now).
On science:
You say that scientists are unable to accept a world in which there is a god, so they adopt these wild theories (that just happen to agree with all evidence that we see) to compensate. This is complete crap. You see, if a scientific theory was adopted tomorrow that explained the evidence we currently have about the origin of species better than the theory of evolution, then no scientist would have any problem in accepting it. This is because science is malleable, and it will constantly be updated as new evidence renders existing theories unworkable. Religion is the exact opposite: that is, blind, inflexible faith that will not, can not and has not changed in the face of contradictory evidence.
I believe in everyone's right to believe in whatever they want to, but I also believe quite firmly that science and religion are absolutely incompatible, so if you want to believe both, please keep them seperate. Religion is not a science, so please keep it out of the field of science. |
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| Malice |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yevat
ok, i wanna know if it is just me or not... does anyone go through these beyond strange states?....its really weird... does anyone else here do that? |
Wow thats pretty ed i was just thinkin of sorta like that when i was sittin here, and then came on the TA and noticed your thread... Weird.... Anyways, no your not alone when it comes to thinkin of stuff like obviously from all the other posts... i would go into details about this, but i would just go about it for the longest time, so i'm just letting you know that your not alone on this. :D |
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| hypronix |
No you are not alone Yevat!
I thought about something similar. About how everything around us is NRG. NRG one can only feel, not efectively see.. although materialized, the purest forms in which this is identified are love and God (well, about love maybe some are familiar with my posts regarding the subject..there's no thing like that! stop counting the ones that you loved, cuz you'll know them so late. and if it's about a boy/girl, it'll so too late! One Love Only). anything else is a combination of these two (trance I'll say is more to love..well!)
Our purpose! Our existance is so little apreciated, so few are aware of our (their) uniqueness that the whole purpose of that is for many so hard to understand. We live to achieve Nirvana (if it is to consider this as the ultimate state of a beeing) We live to become perfect, and than we seize our existance. Not through death. Not necessary! Death is just a way you switch from dimension to dimension, not the finish.
Maybe I'm a little to.. dunno. This is how I feel it. We have to become perfect. Our Ultimate goal, that few will achieve..for the rest is just ... VOID!
(sorry to bore you, if that's the fact!) |
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| Dj Martijn |
| well i sometimes wonder if any1s real. sometimes i think m i the only real person here and everything else isput around me 4 my entertainment..ppl 2 look like me. but it dont last long cos i dismiss it as rediculous |
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| TranceCluber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yevat
ok, i wanna know if it is just me or not... it really makes me wonder if i seriously have some mental prolems sometimes... But from time to time i somtimes lie or sit and stare into space and wonder if anything is real... i think there is is no such thing as life, there is nothing physically real, everything is molecules... there is no point to music because we are only a heap of molecules, i could go over and completely destroy anything in my room that and feel nothing even if it usually would mean the world to me because it is only molecules.... there isnt such a thing as communication, hobbies, style...nothing! everything is just molecules! does anyone go through these beyond strange states?... they last with me for about a half hour or so...maybe sometimes alot longer then that....its really weird... does anyone else here do that? |
everyone gets those in depth thougths it makes us understand us and who we are much better in our own way which is importan to for liveing our lives and exepting who we are i think!!!... but i took a class last semester in college it was a Philosphy class and it was about those thoughts and it was intresting....for instance look in a mirror and look at your self and ask ur self why do u look the way u do why are u that person who u see in teh mirror.... just wierd like that and it make u think..... and another thing is with Strology there are many aspects to it that make u think and say wow wait a min... i just say we as humans have it in our nature to question our feels and thoughts ...and trying to understand and learn whats out there.... they always say the day ur soul and mind dies is the day u stop learning ....... just the fact u thrieve to recieve new information every min in our life concluds that we think and try to understand whats around us.... so its absolutely normal for u to think that .....well if its not normal well then call me wierd cuz i think about that kinda of stuff all the time too |
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| TranceCluber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Martijn
well i sometimes wonder if any1s real. sometimes i think m i the only real person here and everything else isput around me 4 my entertainment..ppl 2 look like me. but it dont last long cos i dismiss it as rediculous |
hahahahha i have those same thoughts sometimes...its almost like the Truman Show the movie =) |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Nastra, you asked the question "why" an awful lot in that post. Well, I can make life a lot easier for you right now: never ask "why", only "how". The question "how" is simply an investigation into what's happening, where as the question "why" is exactly the same only it implies (often without foundation) the intentional, directed or conscious origin of an event. We can never know "why" (because there usually isn't a legitimate answer to the question "why" -- as there may not be any directed purpose behind an event) only the "how". (If you can answer a question that begins with the word "why" it's usually only because the word "why" is wrongly used in place of the word "how".) Better yet, just ask the question "what".
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I went through your postings and I think that this snippet and the folowing phrase:
Things are like they are. The likelihood that they are like this are the excact same as for them being anything else, so just be happy about that.
- is a reasonable summary of most of them. If this is not so then the following is probably off target and even more confusing:
You're advocating that the only questions worth investigating are the ones to which there exists a legitimate answer. This is the way of natural science: Observing phenomena and formulating hypothesis(es?) that explains the causes and consequences of them. However if the chains of causes are followed backwards every phenomenon ends up being explained by an universally accepted axiom that nobody can explain.
An example could be throwing a stone into the air. Eventually, if we assume the stone is thrown by a person with non-supernatural strength, the stone will start travelling towards the earth surface. Explaining this would involve Newtons thoughts on gravity, which ultimately leads to accepting that particles will attract each other.
While this approach has proven invaluable for the evolution of our civilization (I'm a strong supporter og science myself), it doesn't make anything "less mysterious" - it only moves the mystery to somewhere else and we are still left with why-questions. I think that considering these why-questions is very natural for the human mind and vital to the evolution of the human conscience, and as such shouldn't be ignored or surpressed.
By the length of your replies it seems you have considered these questions yourself, and have ended up concluding that there's no divine influence only chance. Which I'd consider a belief in itself.
Seeing that stands on these topics are hard to explain, I hope I made sense :) |
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