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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
You seem to be under the impression that I am launching a personal attack on Southerners as a culture, I must once again re-emphasize that this is not the case, my uncle lives in the heart of Texas in Houston, another lives in Virginia and served in the U.S. Navy. At one point in time I may have shared your beliefs about this president but no longer is that the case. He lost my respect a while back when I watched our Secretary of State stand before the world in New York at the U.N. and claim what different weapons programs Iraq has, none of which has been corroborated in any capacity. I ask you this question if Iraq posed an immediate threat to our nation, then what was that threat, how did it directly affect us, the only reason I supported this war was because of the claims of W.M.D. and lets be correct none has been found, not one, if you have a source that shows me otherwise and that they posed an immediate threat to us then please be obliged to post it on the forum. The South as you say may be awake but are they getting the whole picture of the Iraq conflict and where it has left our nation in the eyes of credibility on world issues:conf: No longer does Bush reserve the right to lay claims of W.M.D. against any nation and he is going to be believed by informed people, he lost that right when he stopped making mention of it in his speeches and statements in regards to Iraq, wonder why that is the current case. |
I can't see why you would lose respect for a great man,such as our President. He has done nothing to lose respect,but he has done much to gain more respect.
WMD's aren't the only reason we went into this war, I think I've mentioned that more than once. I supported this war for many reasons, We had every right to go in and help the people. That's just what we've done,and are continuing to do.
Bush has just as many rights to say there are WMD's, just as you have as many rights to criticize him.
I'm sure there are WMD's out there. It's like you want them to be found in an instant, Well that isn't going to happen. We'll find them,I have faith we will.
This subject is important,I'm sure you will agree. But, hasn't it been debated several times? Isn't it like chewing old fat going over and over it? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
I tend to disagree with you on this issue. You see, the iraqi people were often murdered, yes, but not because they were innocent, it was because they wanted to topple Saddam's regime. The general population was largely unaffected. But, since the US forces invaded, the situation has largely turned worse. The security situation is horrible, unemployment rate is at about 50% and people are more often than not left without electrical power and water. Not really some improvement over the previous condition.
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As much as we may tend to disagree with Bush for his reasoning for leading us into this war, let us at least try to be factually accurate. I've often stated that when you try to "gauge" the state of the Iraqi people, forget your own opinion and look straight to the source. Granted it's several months old but it likely serves as a better indicator than any kind of conjecture on our part.
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/audio/20031...ting-saddam.pdf |
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| LiquidX |
| I think the David Kay reporte leaves lots to say about Bush and the war. |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
Infact, there was something shown on the drudge report a few days ago |
I wouldn't trust everything you read on there. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
As much as we may tend to disagree with Bush for his reasoning for leading us into this war, let us at least try to be factually accurate. I've often stated that when you try to "gauge" the state of the Iraqi people, forget your own opinion and look straight to the source. Granted it's several months old but it likely serves as a better indicator than any kind of conjecture on our part.
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/audio/20031...ting-saddam.pdf |
Well, aside from their optimism and happiness that Saddam has been toppled, most of them view the current state of Iraq as worse than it was prior to the invasion. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well, aside from their optimism and happiness that Saddam has been toppled, most of them view the current state of Iraq as worse than it was prior to the invasion. |
All of which they view as being worth it in order to topple Saddam. That should be somewhat indicative of what a pain it was to live under his rule ... they don't care if they're worse off, as long as they're not worse off under him :) |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
they don't care if they're worse off, as long as they're not worse off under him :) |
You see, that's the problem with democracy. People don't know what's good for them! |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
I wouldn't trust everything you read on there. |
Why not? To conservative for you? |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
Why not? To conservative for you? |
technically its 'too' conservative...if thats what you mean.
it definitely leans quite far to the right - but its an okay place to get a synopsis of the news. anything written by Drudge himself is usually inciteful bull or pander though.
it helps to take anything on there with a grain of salt. |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
technically its 'too' conservative...if thats what you mean.
it definitely leans quite far to the right - but its an okay place to get a synopsis of the news. anything written by Drudge himself is usually inciteful bull or pander though.
it helps to take anything on there with a grain of salt. |
Same difference really, Don't worry, just a misstype.
Hey, you can read what you want to read ( Like that rag I deliver ) and I can read what I want to read, That's the beauty of this country. |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
Why not? To conservative for you? |
No because Drudge is a liar.
A news site can give a conservative viewpoint without lying right? If not, then perhaps its audience should reevaluate its beliefs.
I don't read misleader.org for the same reason. I don't like being lied to and manipulated. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
No because Drudge is a liar.
A news site can give a conservative viewpoint without lying right? If not, then perhaps its audience should reevaluate its beliefs.
I don't read misleader.org for the same reason. I don't like being lied to and manipulated. |
Could you provide me some of these lies? I haven't really read much of Drudge, but I haven't yet run into something that was false. Seriously.:cool: |
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