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| mr. poopyhead |
i was sitting on the ter this morning when i read this article in the star: http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/Con...ol=968793972154
school too tough? not enough funding? boo-ing-hoo... you want to talk underfunded? when i was in high school, we couldn't take history textbooks out of class cause there weren't enough for everyone... when i was in high school, i learned TURING on one of those unisys ICON things (to put things in perspective, this was 1999... yes, the age of pentium III... we were still using those ed up things with the big black trackball...). we didn't just roll over and fail and then blame someone else. 4 years of high school is standard all over canada. i'll admit, i had it easy... oac year was a joke... but a 4 year cirriculum is NORMAL. deal with it. is it too tough to use "you're" and "your" correctly? what about "its" and "it's"? "their" and they're"? if kids would rather loiter at malls every night and habitually use bad grammar like their favourite pop-stars, then they have no one else to blame but themselves. kids are skipping class, not giving a and trying to live "thug life"... who else can they blame? maybe their parents, for raising undisciplined kids. OBVIOUSLY i'm not referring to all students here... some actually have difficulty in school, that's fine. i don't mean to insult anyone who geniunely has a hard time in school. but when you spend your evenings hanging out at the local tim horton's with your souped up sunfire, don't blame the government for failing school.
i probably sound like a crochety old man right now, but i'm not. i'm not that old... i've only been out of high school for 3 years. i still know friends in high school, and they're not doing so bad. even when i was still in school, most of the niners were all jr. thugs, hanging out in the parking lot all the time. i'm sure you all saw this coming. hey, if they wanna be too cool for school, don't whine about it later. |
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| drgoodvibe |
| aha I remember turing.. that was class!! I guess my school was a bit better funded we learned on pentium75's with Windows 3.1 ;) |
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| j_spot |
4 yrs isnt standard.
Nothing out west has 4 years. Not BC, AB, Sask, MB
3 years ago alberta went to split math programs pure and applied. Grades went up alot. Its the same math, just different.:crazy:
I dont think you caught the idea of the article at all. |
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| psychosomatica |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
i was sitting on the ter this morning when i read this article in the star: http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/Con...ol=968793972154
school too tough? not enough funding? boo-ing-hoo... you want to talk underfunded? when i was in high school, we couldn't take history textbooks out of class cause there weren't enough for everyone... when i was in high school, i learned TURING on one of those unisys ICON things (to put things in perspective, this was 1999... yes, the age of pentium III... we were still using those ed up things with the big black trackball...). we didn't just roll over and fail and then blame someone else. 4 years of high school is standard all over canada. i'll admit, i had it easy... oac year was a joke... but a 4 year cirriculum is NORMAL. deal with it. is it too tough to use "you're" and "your" correctly? what about "its" and "it's"? "their" and they're"? if kids would rather loiter at malls every night and habitually use bad grammar like their favourite pop-stars, then they have no one else to blame but themselves. kids are skipping class, not giving a and trying to live "thug life"... who else can they blame? maybe their parents, for raising undisciplined kids. OBVIOUSLY i'm not referring to all students here... some actually have difficulty in school, that's fine. i don't mean to insult anyone who geniunely has a hard time in school. but when you spend your evenings hanging out at the local tim horton's with your souped up sunfire, don't blame the government for failing school.
i probably sound like a crochety old man right now, but i'm not. i'm not that old... i've only been out of high school for 3 years. i still know friends in high school, and they're not doing so bad. even when i was still in school, most of the niners were all jr. thugs, hanging out in the parking lot all the time. i'm sure you all saw this coming. hey, if they wanna be too cool for school, don't whine about it later. |
I don't blame you for ranting. You don't know anything about the new curriculum. |
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| jpgrdnr |
well, to rehash some high school in NS when I went, 3 years. To graduate:
3 english(non academic)
1 math(could be non academic)
1 Global (history or geography)could be non academic as well
1 Social Studies(non academic as well)
1 Science (could be like easy Bio or like a Science 10, which meant you did easy Physics, and Chem, etc.)
and thats it, taking like 5 courses a year.
all the requirements to get your high school diploma. didnt need to take gym or some career course or other crap. that was it.
if anyone couldn't get their diploma then they were
A) not there, at all
B) again, not there at all
or
C)didn't do anything at all, see A + B
or
D)kicked out from doing something stupid
sounds like "streaming" to me in the article. EVERYONE has to go to university. so high school favors those people who are going into university.
it doesn't help people out who are going to drive trucks, or be chefs, or be a mechanic. definitely a f* mindset. |
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| Rocco |
honestly, it's all about study habbits.
high school here in Ontario is jokes compared to high schools outside of canada.
I hate to say this but education back home is sure a whole lot better. I remember when i came here, when i was 10 years old, my math and science skills sure were about 1.5 years ahead of the current grade here.
i think it's embaressing cuz in Egypt, ALL of it have 1/4 the fund of Ontario (size wise, Ontario is larger but i'm talking about population density here) yet sure.. not as many ppl graduate and end up in univ. but EVERY univ student that enters, passes.
i know i'm talking bs and my stats might be off but not that far off. I could quote a source or two about the # of grads but i'm sure alotta ppl do agree with me so i will not :p |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
i was sitting on the ter this morning when i read this article in the star: http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/Con...ol=968793972154
school too tough? not enough funding? boo-ing-hoo... you want to talk underfunded? when i was in high school, we couldn't take history textbooks out of class cause there weren't enough for everyone... when i was in high school, i learned TURING on one of those unisys ICON things (to put things in perspective, this was 1999... yes, the age of pentium III... we were still using those ed up things with the big black trackball...). we didn't just roll over and fail and then blame someone else. 4 years of high school is standard all over canada. i'll admit, i had it easy... oac year was a joke... but a 4 year cirriculum is NORMAL. deal with it. is it too tough to use "you're" and "your" correctly? what about "its" and "it's"? "their" and they're"? if kids would rather loiter at malls every night and habitually use bad grammar like their favourite pop-stars, then they have no one else to blame but themselves. kids are skipping class, not giving a and trying to live "thug life"... who else can they blame? maybe their parents, for raising undisciplined kids. OBVIOUSLY i'm not referring to all students here... some actually have difficulty in school, that's fine. i don't mean to insult anyone who geniunely has a hard time in school. but when you spend your evenings hanging out at the local tim horton's with your souped up sunfire, don't blame the government for failing school.
i probably sound like a crochety old man right now, but i'm not. i'm not that old... i've only been out of high school for 3 years. i still know friends in high school, and they're not doing so bad. even when i was still in school, most of the niners were all jr. thugs, hanging out in the parking lot all the time. i'm sure you all saw this coming. hey, if they wanna be too cool for school, don't whine about it later. |
Wow! Your ignorance towards the public education system is mind boggeling.
4 year programs may be normal, yes, but what is not normal is the fact that courses like grade 12 physics and calculus have become so ridiculously difficult that only a small majority of kids will pass it. And why is it difficult? Not because we're dumb, but because teachers aren't teaching anymore. They just give examples from the teachers handbook until you give up due to frustration of the teacher not knowing what the they're talking about.
Then at the end of the period, your teacher assigns you at least 1 hour of homework per class. If you have 4 classes that's 1 hour x 4 classes = 4 hours of homework per night. This is for University and University/College courses.
If you aren't in the University or University College programs, the administration and your peers treat you like an idiot. Add that with a disgustingly low budget for extra curricular programs and you've got a bunch of belittled teenagers with nothing better to do but smoke weed and skip class. "Thug life?" More like "Life of a youth who the adults of society have failed"
Gone are the glory days of highschool where you could get an education, have good friends, and play sports after school.
Highschool these days isn't about learning, it's about sucking your teacher's dick until he decides to give you a high enough mark so that maybe you can get into university and achieve your dreams. Oh and you better forget about part time job, after school sports or a social life because you have so much work and stress that you couldn't possibly deal with anything besides high school.
Now I'm gonna hear bitching about how hard it is in university and college. Well that's expected. High school isn't supposed to be like post secondary options. That's why you don't go to university right after elementry school.
Imagine this. Little Johnny goes into highschool. He dreams of a bright future with lots of money and fast cars. Johnny finishes grade 9 with more THC in his blood than a shopping bag full of weed because the government doesn't want to give the schools money for extra-curricular programs, and Johnny's parents are too busy working to see what he's doing with his free time. Johnny has nothing better to do than smoke weed and talk about how much of a thug he is.
Then Johnny gets into grade 10 in which point he takes a career studies class. In this career studies class they have charts of potential jobs and what you need to take in highschool to get to them. They present you with the university option with nice glamorous promises of $100,000 + / year salaries and tell you of all the nice things that go along with that job. Then they present the college option. $45,000 a year maximum. But of course, the college option is okay too. Of course he applies for university math, physics, chemistry, and biology in grade 11 because he wants to make $100,000 + / year too.
Then he gets into grade 11 and starts taking that heavy course load. He gets through a few tests in his courses, and fails each one of them. But that's okay, he'll do better, if he studies harder, and works harder. Remember Johnny, if you don't get that 90, you're a up. JOhnny still has the option of going into college courses, but he doesn't want to do that, he wants to make $100,000 a year, even though he has absolutely no intrest in any of these courses. Finally Johnny finishes grade 11, only passing 2 of his classes. He realizes that he's wasted a year of highschool and drops out to work construction.
Sound unbelievable? Well believe it, because this is what is happening to too many kids in highschool. Too much onus is put on big bucks, universities etc. No one does what they like to do or what they're capable of anymore. It's just about how big your pay check is in the end. What kind of way is that to teach kids?
I know I jumped all over the place in this post but I'm not editing it :D |
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| AmbiguousBliss |
Our education system is ED UP.
Thank you. |
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| mr. poopyhead |
nice post.. nice story, =P
but i just have a few things to say...
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Wow! Your ignorance towards the public education system is mind boggeling.
4 year programs may be normal, yes, but what is not normal is the fact that courses like grade 12 physics and calculus have become so ridiculously difficult that only a small majority of kids will pass it. And why is it difficult? Not because we're dumb, but because teachers aren't teaching anymore. They just give examples from the teachers handbook until you give up due to frustration of the teacher not knowing what the they're talking about. |
we used to have all sorts of incompetent teachers. it's ALWAYS been like that. i once had a physics teacher that wrote "good morning class, welcome to bonjour!" on the first day of class. i still have friends and family in high school. i've seen the work they do and i sometimes help them out with their problems. in some ways, the grade 12 courses that have replaced the old oac courses are EASIER.
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Then at the end of the period, your teacher assigns you at least 1 hour of homework per class. If you have 4 classes that's 1 hour x 4 classes = 4 hours of homework per night. This is for University and University/College courses. |
nothing new there...
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If you aren't in the University or University College programs, the administration and your peers treat you like an idiot. Add that with a disgustingly low budget for extra curricular programs and you've got a bunch of belittled teenagers with nothing better to do but smoke weed and skip class. "Thug life?" More like "Life of a youth who the adults of society have failed" |
it would be ideal to have the school provide after school stuff, but that's still not an excuse for giving up on life and smoking pot all day.
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Gone are the glory days of highschool where you could get an education, have good friends, and play sports after school. |
if you have nothing better to do, won't you have MORE time for sports after school or a part time job? why do sports have to be school related? (intramurals and stuff?)
you had a huge post... i'll reply more later, =P. |
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| AmbiguousBliss |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
if you have nothing better to do, won't you have MORE time for sports after school or a part time job? why do sports have to be school related? (intramurals and stuff?) |
How is that supposed to work if you've already got 5 hours of homework each night? |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
it would be ideal to have the school provide after school stuff, but that's still not an excuse for giving up on life and smoking pot all day.
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Some of these kids aren't as smart as you and I. Some need things to keep them occupied or they'll fall through the cracks.
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if you have nothing better to do, won't you have MORE time for sports after school or a part time job? why do sports have to be school related? (intramurals and stuff?) |
Because parents are too busy to sign them up for these sports, they don't know anybody that's in the league, etc etc.
Intramurals are fine, but after school programs are most important. |
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| Silver Bass |
| I’m one of those kids. I graduated with the double cohort and now I’m "victory lapping" because my grades weren’t good enough. THIS IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. They didn't start us in the new curriculum when we first started school in Kindergarten. They just threw it at us 1st year of high school, none of us where prepared because they didn’t prepare us in gr. 8. We were learning some grade 11 material in grade nine as well as the grade 9 stuff and half of ten. Plus the fact we were competing for spots in University with double the people, half of which had 5 years to complete the same material we had 4 years to do. What they say about Physics is true. Its the hardest course I’ve ever taken. We used the old oac textbooks who expected us to know physics from the introductory course that the old oac's took in grade 11. Why did we use OAC textbooks? because our ing texts books wouldn't be arriving till second semester... No god damn Planning! Nobody thought this through it was just some great idea someone had. Who cares if it took us longer to complete High school we have over twice the pop as those provinces that only take 4 years. I would be writing a lot more but I have to study for my ing exams... I hate exams. |
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