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Tony Blair gonna be out?
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| swisstoni |
well, tonight is finally the vote on student fees (which i think the gov will prolly end up winning)
then the hutton inquiry will give us its findings tomorrow. Alot of people think this might be the end for tony blair. What do you lot reckon?
I think if it goes badly with the hutton inquiry, there is gonna need to be some changes. Like getting rid of that lousy geoff hoon for a start |
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| Ste |
blair is a wanker, a smiley faced glory hogging lying .
i hope he gets assasinated. |
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| magnasoma |
One of the rumours that got banded around by way of positive propaganda whern labour first got back in power was that they were gonna write off current student loans owed. To my knowledge they never commented that it wasn't true either, to get 'the student vote'.
180 anyone? |
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| swisstoni |
| quote: | Originally posted by magnasoma
One of the rumours that got banded around by way of positive propaganda whern labour first got back in power was that they were gonna write off current student loans owed. |
I wish they had have done that, but in all honesty it was never gonna happen. So now i have to leave the counrty for good as i have no intentions in putting any more money into this governments pocket.
Blair needs to go |
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| CyberTeraz |
| I like Blair! He looks funny! |
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| dj_mdma |
he is a right bastard. so much has happened whilst he has been in power. In their manifesto before the winning general election, they said that they wouldn't touch uni fees. And now he has. The bare faced liar :whip:
The tuition system is going to hit Middle England sooooo hard, and its not as if we aren't being hit as it is! To Rich people, this tuition fee thing isn't going to concern them, to the poor its going to help them, and its us who are going to end up out of pocket. I just hope my sister will be able to go to uni when its her turn without a) getting into silly debt, or b) spending even more of my parent's money |
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| Misty Kitty |
| quote: | Originally posted by swisstoni
I wish they had have done that, but in all honesty it was never gonna happen. So now i have to leave the counrty for good as i have no intentions in putting any more money into this governments pocket.
Blair needs to go |
leaving the contry is certainly an option, 10yrs working abroad and the student loads are cancelled, or is it 30yrs??
personally i've never liked him, nor the whole gonverment really but thats another story.
I hope this is his downfall |
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| Misty Kitty |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_mdma
The tuition system is going to hit Middle England sooooo hard, |
i know students tend to drink a fair bit of their loads etc but that is a uni right of passage which the government would fo partaken in if they were of our generation. They come from a lack of exerience on this issue.
I just got caught in the fee sby one yr, they say 1k a yr is nothing, but its loads if you're not living at home trying to eat live and study and pay fees its a ******, i had to take the loan out cover all of those costs reaching a nice sum of £8.5 k + £2.5 overdrafts in 3 yrs
and even if you are living at home (which my older brother did) it cripples the parents when the kids aren't mean to be at home any more, one way or another someone has to pay
and lam you and your folks are in the bad situ, ur course goes on for yrs and years, is it tuition fees each year for you as well?
With debts from such such degrees as medical we're talking £30k+ at the end if not more, what sort of 'government education start in life is that'? not to even start on the repayment rates, which in some cases are so low that you end up paying sumthing like £5 a week, you'll never pay off anything on that
Arrggg now im kinda pissed off witts |
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| dj_mdma |
yup we're in the bad situation
my parents pay my fees and my travel costs and stuff, which they don't mind cos they want me to get the best start in life, instead of being saddled with debt, they have helped me save money and stuff and by the time i'm out of uni i will almost immediately be able to buy some property.
its not too bad now, they can afford to pay my way at the moment, but when my sis goes to uni, the cost will be 3 times as much...with a bog standard course. if she wants to do medicine, the cost will be up to 20 times as much :whip:
although med students do get an NHS bursary to pay the fees in the last 3 yrs of the course, so my parents will only have to pay for another 2 years. The amount they spend on me is tuitions fees (1k) and travel which they give me £40 quid a week for so ten weeks a semester times 2 is 800 pounds and during the exam period about another 120. |
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| swisstoni |
| quote: | Originally posted by Misty Kitty
Arrggg now im kinda pissed off witts |
hopefully today and tomorrow will be making blair sit tight and reflect on the chaos at the moment. imo, after the way he handled the doctor kelly incident, a load of those grey, stuffy, arrogant selfish pricks that call themselves politicians / reporters need to go.
And blair is the epitomy of spitting image :thepirate |
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| Coup |
out with blair, and in with charles kenerdy!!
no, im serious! |
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| eLe_vatE |
I support the top-up-fees under current circumstances, that is nearly 50% (and rising each year) go on to higher education, unis can't afford to pay for all these courses any more, and a grand a year from students isn't nearly enough to curb the deficit, that's the fact. If the gov. is determined to send 50%+ to uni, they have to either raise taxes or increase fees. The former way (the Lib Dem way) is completely unfair on people / parents who will not / have not/ don't have children going to uni. Charging fees imo in the only fair way, besides we've still got it easy compared to the US, courses at universities there can cost $20,000 per year or more. Some people have commented in this thread that it will be too much of a burden on parents, I can't see how that will be so, seen as they will go from paying £1,100 per year to £0. Sure the parents will probably pay off some of the debt afterwards, however, under the previous system, parents only payed fees if they collectively (or singularly) earned £20,000+ per year, under the new system, the same rule applies still but only if the graduate also earns £15,000+ per year, and at that wage, the weekly contribution is bugger all! Therefore the level of finantial stability that is required for paying off the debt is greater under the new system. But as I said, this is only the solution (imo) under the current circumstances, because.....
...personally I think the answer is to remove the bottom 20% or so of pointless money wasting courses that bring in no money to the unis through reseach etc., we don't need 50% going to uni anyway, well less than half of the jobs in the country require a degree anyway, and students doing such courses would have these large debts and a low income to pay them off, because such degrees would be next-to useless. This would ease the financial deficit of unis and would mean no top-up-fees! Best solution if you ask me.... |
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