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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
there are no more melodies to think up for a song because they are all taken? |
Actually, this topic was much discussed by the musical avant-gardes of the Twentieth Century. People like Schoenberg argued that pretty much all standard tonal melodies had been used in one way or the other by 1920. There is some truth to this, there is NOT an infinite number of notes discernible to the human ear, there are ONLY 12 tones/semitones. Romanticism and impressionism pretty much exploited the number of combinations you could follow in terms of standard counterpoint and harmony. That's why Schoenberg and his collegues rejected tonal music and invented the serial twelve-tone system, where you could only repeat one tone after having gone through the other 11 and so on.
This method of composition was very innovative, very mathematical, and got so elaborate that it was then done with algorithms and very complex equations.:disbelief But ultimately, serial music is not the nicest or the most pleasurable for the human ear.
That's why in the 1960s a group of composers who were doing lots of acid and learning from non-western music methods decided that serialism should be abandoned for a more pleasurable, and melodic, style of music. MIMIMALISM was born, music made by processes and repetition. It did not follow the old rules of harmonic progressions, but rather built upon the aesthetics of creating effects through repetition.
Minimalism led to ambient (Brian Eno), which then influenced Kraftwerk, the Detroit techno clique, the use of the 303 for the creation of acid house, Aphex Twin, and the rest is EDM history.
There is not a single trance song that has a totally original melody never used before any way. I assure you that anything you can think of has been done in some way or the other over the last 500 years. But....the originality of trance and edm lies in the use of process through repetition and the minimalist ideals that are the legacy of the preceding pioneers of minimalism and electronic music. If you think about it, trance, edm and pop music today do not have elaborate melodies that are actually deep and very well thought out. As BSE said, that's what Chopin and the masters from the past did. All melodies have been done before,, originality lies in the harmonic process and the use of repetition. This is what makes the best edm the leading avant-garde music of our contemporary times. |
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| Galapidate |
| I doubt it for the same reasons Stephanie has. I mean, so many books have been written over time and there are still new ideas. :D |
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| BTG |
| quote: | Originally posted by djSlain
its been proven that scooter has revolutionized trance into new and awesome ways. he'll never run out of tunes |
as long as push doesn't stop making music. |
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| raynbo |
Yeah, but even the books work on the same principle. I've read so many books that have the same overall plot idea, just the details are different. Not that that makes the book any less appealing, but it's not a new concept.
Anyway, going back to the topic, I think that melodies may run out, but eventually people will forget the originals and everything will start over. And if they don't forget, there's always loop arranging. |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
there are no more melodies to think up for a song because they are all taken? |
classical music is still composed isnt it?
i dont think melodies will run out |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
classical music is still composed isnt it?
i dont think melodies will run out |
contemporary 'classical' music is not really melody-driven or tonal for that matter. and when it is, it isn't really based on absolutely original melodies. |
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| KilldaDJ |
probably to a point where melodys sound the same...
like that track scooter made that sounded like push - strange world... |
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| meneedit |
OHHHHH BOY!
ive been waitning for this thread for a long time.
What do I say?
Well I was thinking about making a track myself titled "Music is Dying"
because that is exactly what is happening.
There ARE many combinations out there like you all say but i do seriously wonder what music will be like in 20 years.
POP
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Music's worst enemy is POP. I'm always getting pissed off at the way
good melody lines are wasted on pop songs that really suck ass. The worst part is that they are making these melodies all the time and it is destroying everybody elses chance to be original.
ORIGINALITY
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some guy once said that no one person can have an original thought.
So if you have managed to come up with a really good tune.... sadly enough somewhere down the track someone will create something very similar whether intentional or not. This could possibly be affected from your tune that they listened to along with others.
very sad.
GENRES
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Well you must have all realised that by now every single genre has already been created. It is impossible to invent a new Genre now because anything new these days would come under the category of Electronic
, I tell you all, I often think of how good it would have been if I were growing up in the 60's and making music while it was still evolving.
I reckon that this world is going downhill because it isn't just music that people are running out of ideas for. You might have also noticed that movies are lacking something these days. People are running out of ideas for movies because nearly everything else has already been done.
well hope that helped... :conf: :( :(
sorry for bummin' you guys out :( :( :( |
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| KilldaDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by meneedit
GENRES
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Well you must have all realised that by now every single genre has already been created. It is impossible to invent a new Genre now because anything new these days would come under the category of Electronic
, I tell you all, I often think of how good it would have been if I were growing up in the 60's and making music while it was still evolving.
I reckon that this world is going downhill because it isn't just music that people are running out of ideas for. You might have also noticed that movies are lacking something these days. People are running out of ideas for movies because nearly everything else has already been done.
well hope that helped... :conf: :( :(
sorry for bummin' you guys out :( :( :( |
so what genre does the dj jean fart scratch mix of ressurection come under?
id wouldnt call it turntablism as its not. its terrible. |
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| zarathustra |
| Maybe humans will evolve better hearing thus enabling the usage of more tones? |
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| smokeape |
Wtf are your worrying about Nut bucket? Each new tune is new music, you friggin' dweeb! :whip: :whip:
[[[smoke]]]
Miro - By Your Side (Ronski Speed vocal) |
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| Streakfury |
| quote: | Originally posted by meneedit
, I tell you all, I often think of how good it would have been if I were growing up in the 60's and making music while it was still evolving. |
Music is constantly evoloving. I don't think it's possible to "use up" all of the different combinations of notes etc that exist, but after a while I do think that they would need to be so complicated that they wouldn't sound very good at all. It's nice to appreciate the complexities in people's productions, but every now and then, it's nice to have a simplistic tune in a song.
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