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ATTENTION: NOT FOR WEAK STOMACKS!!!!
no words can be said here... and i dont wish to develop this post for an argument.
but i think it's important to see and have a taste of how the truth really looks like...
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| George Smiley |
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| fuct4less |
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| George Smiley |
| Shame the Palestinian economy is then they might be able to afford camcorders, we might get to see what happens in places like Jenin, or we might get some footage of 10 ton bulldozers crushing peace protestors to death...(just for a balanced argument like) |
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| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Shame the Palestinian economy is then they might be able to afford camcorders, we might get to see what happens in places like Jenin, or we might get some footage of 10 ton bulldozers crushing peace protestors to death...(just for a balanced argument like) |
i'm with you on the peace protectors on this one, but there's a bitty tiny difference between Jenin and the those photos.
Jenin was indeed a horroble chapter on the israeli-palestinian confrontation, but here's a reminder:
IDF entered jenin to do what arafat refused to do himself: destroy the terrorist explosive labs and hamas camps that were there (in the city, acting to release bombings as much as black hole releasing tracks...) when they came in THERE WAS A RESISTANCE. bombs and "molotov" bottles were thrown out of windows, and i even remember a 11 years' old child sent to death to set a bomb under an army viechle (not a tank... so i remember...)
the exploding buses and cafes all around the country contained victims who didnt held guns, didnt say anything, they were only civilians. i'm not saying that all the palestinian who died on those horroble 3 years of war between us are terrorist that deserved to die.
but there a difference between civilian victims in a fight and civilian victims 20 miles from there who just wanted to get home from the grocery store.
and by killing them and evolving them in is doing nothing but extending the conflict. it's surly dont serves the palestinian goals...
and that's the bottom line in this story. that the poor palestinians dont get to navigate their foture. they are right when they say that israel soult get out of the west bank and the gaza strip. but we all know that this will only give hamas the chance to release more bombings in israel. becouse hamas are the ones to say the last word (and not arafat) and hamas controls the streets. and hamas is not about freeing the occupied lands. hamas is about killing all the jews between the jordan river and the sea and we all know that. |
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| George Smiley |
| Dont get me wrong, I in no way think suicide bombings against Israeli civilians are in anyway justified (altho I have no sympathy for those living in the settlements), I just think that when people get angry at terrorists as people in this post have done, you should first ask yourself why it is they feel the need to do this. When you answer that question, you can then begin to look for ways that would get them to stop. And in any given 'terrorist situation', the easiest way to get them to stop is to take away the reason Palestinians blow themselves up in the first place (altho there is a problem here with Islamic extremism, altho religious extremism exists on both the Arab and Israeli sides, but I think it is not a large proportion of either side) |
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^This is ridiculous... another perfectly reasonable way to stop terrorists is to just kill them all, but you don't see anybody suggesting that.
I hope other people are getting as tired of your inappropriate and insensitive comments as I am. Do you honestly think that the Palestinians' right to that land, even if we concede it is rightfully "theirs", overrides the Israelis' right to their lives?
Stop terrorism FIRST... deal later. |
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| quote: | | Do you honestly think that the Palestinians' right to that land, even if we concede it is rightfully "theirs", overrides the Israelis' right to their lives? |
No idea what you are trying to imply there mate
| quote: | | Stop terrorism FIRST... deal later. |
Just out of interest, under what conditions do you think this scenario would occur? (ie. what would make them stop the violence for deals to be made?) |
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| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Just out of interest, under what conditions do you think this scenario would occur? (ie. what would make them stop the violence for deals to be made?) |
for example: stoping the propoganda over their schools and teling them the truth: terror have never achieved anything but to make things worse. their leader get their power out of the peoples misury and theirfor will never do anything to improve their lives.
you dont see any israelis saying "we should kill them all" becouse israel is a western country with democratic system having a debate over things.
it doesnt work that way over the palestinian. if the poeple got to choose what they want i'm sure there would have been peace a long time ago. but the leader dont give a and the streets are controled by gangs. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Just out of interest, under what conditions do you think this scenario would occur? (ie. what would make them stop the violence for deals to be made?) |
Simple: get rid of Arafat. The terrorist groups are all his puppet groups anyway. If you get rid of Arafat, you pull the rug out from under this .
Reforms to the policies would also have to ensue, but I think that would happen naturally: changes to their education, withdrawal of rewards for "martyr" families, etc.
I don't vie for the possibility of someone worse being elected - it doesn't get any worse.
Edit: it does bear mentioning that Israel should also appoint someone who's actually qualified to negotiate, like Barak and Rabin were doing. The reason they put someone like Sharon in power was because they knew that negotiations would never succeed - IF Palestine were to rid itselves of extremists and terrorists, it might be worth appointing a more peaceful Israeli PM... or at least to delegate the peace negotiations to someone else, perhaps someone from the U.S.
I also really don't think we should be talking about this in this thread. Every time you post in one of these, you ignore the horror of the act being committed and turn it into some futile debate about how Israel is really responsible for the warlike situation. Can you not for once take a look at the situation and say "Hey, that's sick, regardless of whatever conditions they may live in?" |
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| quote: | | it doesn't get any worse. |
seems you're not fimiliar with the middle east... it can always get worse...
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