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Is Tony Blair actually a bellend? (pg. 3)
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Coup
id argue that, althought my proof is an article printed in todays sun, and should be taken with a pinch of salt, [/url] |
you bastard, you know why :stongue: |
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| Coup |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
you bastard, you know why :stongue: |
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| sykadelik |
Europe - United Kingdom & Ireland = Political Discussion / Debate
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| Coup |
| quote: | Originally posted by sykadelik
Europe - United Kingdom & Ireland = Political Discussion / Debate
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whats the point going to the international political discussion forum asking about UK politics? |
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| Spin Doctor |
| quote: | Originally posted by sykadelik
Europe - United Kingdom & Ireland = Political Discussion / Debate
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The real Political Discussion / Debate is naff. It’s more like a commentary of the Middle East (read Israeli) issues.
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
the truth of the matter is that people dont see the wider picture enough. forget WMD, even without them there are many reasons to have outed saddam.. the constant threat to iraq's neighboring countries, the constant threat to the kurds & shi'ites, the bad that the people of iraq had to put up with for decades, not to mention the breeding ground for terrorism in general throughout the country.
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I see the wider picture alright, and that’s why I was against the war, not for issues of “civvies will die” or “it’s just about oil” but because I’m strongly against the bacterial proliferation of the “American Way Of Life” and America taking its place as world policeman, nay, taking it’s place as world dictator. The Kurds and Shi’ites called out for help from America before, but they just ignored it al allowed them all to get slaughtered, now that Saddam has worn out his usefulness they knock him off. If the yanks had kept on hammering away at the UN saying that something needed to be done, then fine. But they just gave a half assed attempt at the UN option, then seeing it was going nowhere decided to go it alone regardless of the consequences.
Yes, for the local people, life is better now that Saddam has been removed. But, it was done in the wrong way. It should have been the so called “international community” that ousted him, not one or two rogue elements who think that they know best. Who are we to say that we know what’s best for everyone all of the time? This whole Iraq war stinks.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
But would u tax on a rising scale, still a percentage of wage maybe, so 10% a year for arguments sakes even though that would mean a binman & a doctor & an MP would all pay the same in tax ? |
If all things were as they should be and we lived in a fair society, with regards to income, a set percentage would work with income tax. However, we don’t. Doctors & teachers get paid a pittance, as do people like bin men (jobs which are ESSENTIAL to the smooth running of society) where as the Director Generals at Cocacola UK HQ get great big fat pay cheques for sitting around in board meetings going “So we’re all agreed, another paycut for the factory workers and a pay rise for ourselves, eh?” As such we require rising scale, though with far more tax brackets than there are now. It would be fantastically complicated, but more fair in the long run. Also, a whole new set of taxes would be introduced for companies over a certain size. So the little corner shop would have to pay little or no tax, while the behemoth juggernaut of a business would have to put something back. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Doctor
If all things were as they should be and we lived in a fair society, with regards to income, a set percentage would work with income tax. However, we don’t. Doctors & teachers get paid a pittance, as do people like bin men (jobs which are ESSENTIAL to the smooth running of society) where as the Director Generals at Cocacola UK HQ get great big fat pay cheques for sitting around in board meetings going “So we’re all agreed, another paycut for the factory workers and a pay rise for ourselves, eh?” As such we require rising scale, though with far more tax brackets than there are now. It would be fantastically complicated, but more fair in the long run. Also, a whole new set of taxes would be introduced for companies over a certain size. So the little corner shop would have to pay little or no tax, while the behemoth juggernaut of a business would have to put something back. |
You got my vote :p I hate the businessman/exec world of ppl who act like they're so superior to ppl who weren't born into daddys bank balance |
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| tu_face |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Doctor
Yes, for the local people, life is better now that Saddam has been removed. But, it was done in the wrong way. It should have been the so called “international community” that ousted him, not one or two rogue elements who think that they know best. Who are we to say that we know what’s best for everyone all of the time? This whole Iraq war stinks.
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i agree it would have been better if the rest of the world joined in, but none of them had the bolocks to do it without a superficial and pointless UN approval.
i agree it should have been dealt with the first time round, but one thing to say about bush jnr is that he has more bollocks than his dad, and finished the job that senior should have done 15 or so years ago.
im sorry, but all these anti-war protestors me right off. i cant remember which prog it was on, but it was a forum thingy, they had pro-war ppl, anti-war ppl and some iraqis. needless to say the iraqis wanted the war more than us, so why the do the anti-war ppl bother to demonstrate against it when the ppl of iraq want it..?? surely that matters more than kofi anan giving it his blessing?
and what s me off more is the people that still go on about it. Get over it. Its happened. No amount of protesting is going to reverse the course of time you bunch of idiots. Concentrate your efforts on making the situation work for the iraqi people.
this isnt aimed at anyone in particular :)
and spin doctor: doctors dont get paid pittance, you know thats wrong. they all drive beemas and mercs :p the rest i agree with. |
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| Spin Doctor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
You got my vote :p I hate the businessman/exec world of ppl who act like they're so superior to ppl who weren't born into daddys bank balance |
great! Just need to drum up a bit more support, then we can storm the winter palace! ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
im sorry, but all these anti-war protestors me right off. i cant remember which prog it was on, but it was a forum thingy, they had pro-war ppl, anti-war ppl and some iraqis. needless to say the iraqis wanted the war more than us, so why the do the anti-war ppl bother to demonstrate against it when the ppl of iraq want it..?? surely that matters more than kofi anan giving it his blessing? |
While I still think the war was wrong, I do agree with you that the majority of the anti-war faction being . Most of them are clueless and 90% of the couldn’t give a toss about anyone, just protesting because their mate is, it looks cool and it’s the “in” thing to do. 
Also, I do understand that the Iraqis were in favour of military action to oust Saddam, I will stand by what I said in the run up to war – if any of events of warfare from the last century have taught us anything, it is that you can not successfully export and force democracy on anyone. If it is to be more than a fair weather system and go the distance with a long lasting life, it has to come from no one else but the people of that region. Because of the way this has been handled, there will never be peace in Iraq. It’s setting it’s self up to be another Northern Ireland but on a much worse scale.
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
and what s me off more is the people that still go on about it. Get over it. Its happened. No amount of protesting is going to reverse the course of time you bunch of idiots. Concentrate your efforts on making the situation work for the iraqi people. |
Which is why I’m glad to see more and more nations, plus the UN, being involved in the reconstruction
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
and spin doctor: doctors dont get paid pittance, you know thats wrong. they all drive beemas and mercs :p the rest i agree with. |
Consultants, yes!!! But the GP who works in some grotty inner city skag head rehab clinic, possibly not. Anyway, if they are all minted, I’d introduce performance related pay – the more patients who die under you care the more you get you pay packet reduced. :stongue: |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjDeComp
If Blair didnt support Bush for war, the UK will get flamed like France and Germany did. |
i wouldnt be to sure, if france, germany and england all opposed the war, thats europes 3 biggest players! (i think)
it would of made a hell of a lot of difference than the worlds biggest players plus one of europes biggest against the other two, one of which is stereotyped to be cowards anyway. hence flamage. |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Doctor
Consultants, yes!!! But the GP who works in some grotty inner city skag head rehab clinic, possibly not. Anyway, if they are all minted, I’d introduce performance related pay – the more patients who die under you care the more you get you pay packet reduced. :stongue: |
at that rate, harold shipman would have been paying to go to work! |
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| Goldiluxe |
Blair is an ugly .
I dont trust a word he says.
Jamoone Jamooone MF! |
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| magnasoma |
OMGHI2U!!!!!!1
this is pulled off of the My Word slot on Fox News in the US, its a report on the BBC's handling of the 'Sexed UP' Dossier.
http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm
i can't believe news networks can get away with publishing this kind of thing. |
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