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WHAT?"holding on to nothing" and "follow me" 5/5??? (pg. 2)
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| starglider |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
sorry to dissapoint you again but "holding on to nothing" is really terrible. the track has the same fast grooveless beat a 4-note usual trance-riff and a really TERRIBLE poppy female vocal talking crap. guys, have you been clubbing back in 98-99 when "el-nino" and stuff appeared in the rooms. now that was good with its great epic melody. |
El Ninow as much more commercial than Holding Onto Nothing and the spoken Spanish vocal is in turn much cheesier than HON's vox. Who cares? The track was huge and it was great. Don't let nostalgia cloud your vision. |
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| PETRAN |
| HARD DANCE!!!!ok i though that i was talking to people with at least some musical knowledge not HARD DANCE CHILDREN.except 2-3 names(sienna, the gift) all this time u were talking about hard dance-the worst music(?) genre even known to man- as an alternative to trance!!!(lol)at least arpeggiated synths are better thn 200 bpm beats acid and sirens!!!doh.... |
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| mimikish |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
HARD DANCE!!!!ok i though that i was talking to people with at least some musical knowledge not HARD DANCE CHILDREN.except 2-3 names(sienna, the gift) all this time u were talking about hard dance-the worst music(?) genre even known to man- as an alternative to trance!!!(lol)at least arpeggiated synths are better thn 200 bpm beats acid and sirens!!!doh.... |
you are way too worked up. it seems like no matter what anyone says to post you have a comment to comeback to try and justify yourself. obviously the track is huge and there is nothing you can do about it. everyone has a different taste in music, obviously a lot of people seem to have made holding onto nothing a huge track. but just because someone hates the vocals etc.. they have a huge vendeta against it. |
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| PETRAN |
| because the track is big and lots of people out there adore it i should shut my mouth and never talk again. sorry for not doing so, and say that its strange that five years after , agnelli and nelson come-up with a y tune that has nothing more to offer than any other work out there, although, probably because its "agnelli and nelson" and its destined 2 be an anthem lots of u love it. another replier sayed befaure "who cares its big and less cheesier than el-nino). i have to remind to him the time-delay between the tracks. (el-nino-98-good melody hold-on-2004-crap-same production)that means 5 years after nothing more to offer. but who cares hee?? grab your glowsticks ,go to the super club and listen to M.I.D.O.R(loooooooool), 6-4-8 , super-8 , motherf###er-8 Here comes the breakdown wooooowwwwww!!!! |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
HARD DANCE!!!!ok i though that i was talking to people with at least some musical knowledge not HARD DANCE CHILDREN.except 2-3 names(sienna, the gift) all this time u were talking about hard dance-the worst music(?) genre even known to man- as an alternative to trance!!!(lol)at least arpeggiated synths are better thn 200 bpm beats acid and sirens!!!doh.... |
Did you even bother to listen to the tunes? If you're gonna sit here and tell me that Mark Norman, Derb, Choose & F or Innergy are "hard dance" (I assume you mean UK hard trance/hard house) without even bothering to listen to the tunes I am not going to bother to waste more time on you(Considering the bull you just came out with I am wondering why I still bother). The tracks I listed are all trance, and they show a significant versatility of sound and lots of variation, which is what you asked for. The fact that some "hard dance" DJs have played some of them does not necessarily make them hard house or whatever. (i.e. Andy Farley playing Oxia - Contrast does not change the fact that the track is techno) |
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| PETRAN |
| only 4 were ok (sienna, the gift, airwave). all the others were fast, hard and according to my opinion of very low quality. and what? "satisfaction" and "loneliness" good trance tracks? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL. if its different it doesn t mean its good u know!!!these were completely IDIOTiC, STUPID dance anthems for the masses!!!what about "dance with the devil" and "alarma" (have u heard of these lol) and what again???psy trance commited suicide??????!!!???ok i have to say here i dont love psy-trance but probably U never heard of psy-trance ever in your life. minimal structure? astral projection-dancing galaxy album-minimal structure?????MFG- "new kind of world " minimal structure????with melodies and effects shifting in and out every once in a wild and flawless structure which progressively shifts as the tune progress(not beggining-break-main-end)?? these were old albums BUT tones better than the things u mentioned(mark norman)at least that was much more artistic trance with an attitude!!!(see mfg and their albums)ever searched deeper in the scene called trance?? israeli scenes, greek scenes???or u dont bother??? it feels like banging your head in the wall??? how does it feel to hear every breakdown after another with the same synth from 1997 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL what? u were talking about creative suicide??? hmmmm |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
only 4 were ok (sienna, the gift, airwave). all the others were fast, hard and according to my opinion of very low quality. and what? "satisfaction" and "loneliness" good trance tracks? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL. |
OK first off, start using proper punctuation and capitalization, your posts are a total mess.
Second of all, whether you like the tunes or not is completely irrelevant to this issue, you asked me to show you trance that sounded different from the usual cookie cutter fluff, and I did. One trend is that trance goes towards the harder more techno oriented sounds, like the tracks I mentioned are good examples of. Loneliness and Satisfaction (which I also hate) are also examples of trance going in new directions, be it as commercially exploited or "made for the masses" as it may be. The point here isn't whether you like the tunes or not, it is whether trance has developed and sounds different, which these tracks clearly prove. What your opinion is towards the tracks I really couldn't care less about.
And for your information I know my psy trance very well thank you. Go compare early Dragonfly releases to the minimal boring rubbish the likes of Aphid Moon have been releasing on the very same label, or compare the early Etnica releases to the new ones(the same can be done with X-Dream). Fact is, psy trance has lost a whole load of it's original melodic qualities in favour of boring minimal drivel that has absolutely no innovation and sounds just like another dozen random psy records. That is what I mean about creative suicide.
Now until you manage to post a proper argument that doesn't look like a total mess and actually has some points worth debating, you're gonna be on my ignore list. Have a nice life. |
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| Azz3D |
| prog house/prog breaks is where its at right now... |
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| starglider |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
and what again???psy trance commited suicide??????!!!???ok i have to say here i dont love psy-trance but probably U never heard of psy-trance ever in your life. minimal structure? astral projection-dancing galaxy album-minimal structure?????MFG- "new kind of world " minimal structure????with melodies and effects shifting in and out every once in a wild and flawless structure which progressively shifts as the tune progress(not beggining-break-main-end)?? these were old albums BUT tones better than the things u mentioned(mark norman)at least that was much more artistic trance with an attitude!!!(see mfg and their albums)ever searched deeper in the scene called trance?? israeli scenes, greek scenes???or u dont bother??? it feels like banging your head in the wall??? how does it feel to hear every breakdown after another with the same synth from 1997 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL what? u were talking about creative suicide??? hmmmm |
Dancing Galaxy and New Kind Of World are both 7 years old, thus they are hardly representative of the current psytrance scene. I find it greatly amusing that you seem to think you are bringing a revolutionary idea to the table when in fact you are simply rehashing the same discussion we've been having here for the past two years or so. Furthermore, comments like the above prove your ignorance beyond anything I could bring forward. This is quite convenient since it means I must converse no further with you and will only say, in parting, that it would be advisable to keep your uninformed, outdated ranting to yourself in future so as to appear less foolish. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
OK first off, start using proper punctuation and capitalization, your posts are a total mess.
Second of all, whether you like the tunes or not is completely irrelevant to this issue, you asked me to show you trance that sounded different from the usual cookie cutter fluff, and I did. One trend is that trance goes towards the harder more techno oriented sounds, like the tracks I mentioned are good examples of. Loneliness and Satisfaction (which I also hate) are also examples of trance going in new directions, be it as commercially exploited or "made for the masses" as it may be. The point here isn't whether you like the tunes or not, it is whether trance has developed and sounds different, which these tracks clearly prove. What your opinion is towards the tracks I really couldn't care less about.
And for your information I know my psy trance very well thank you. Go compare early Dragonfly releases to the minimal boring rubbish the likes of Aphid Moon have been releasing on the very same label, or compare the early Etnica releases to the new ones(the same can be done with X-Dream). Fact is, psy trance has lost a whole load of it's original melodic qualities in favour of boring minimal drivel that has absolutely no innovation and sounds just like another dozen random psy records. That is what I mean about creative suicide.
Now until you manage to post a proper argument that doesn't look like a total mess and actually has some points worth debating, you're gonna be on my ignore list. Have a nice life. |
don't even waste your time with this guy. he thinks he knows best because he used to listen to psy-trance, but he obviously doesn't even know what techno is and can't tell it apart from hard house, hard trance and hardstyle. :stongue: |
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| CosmoKid |
The best thing is that Starglider actually tried to offer you some options that you might like and you ripped him for it.
a TIT with a senior attitude...damn |
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| PETRAN |
i will not do it again. I think now that the things i mention are worth debating, what do u thing? Psy-trance havent commited more creative suicide than (euro)trance. If psy-trance is the same today or more minimal, so is the euro-trance sound. The fact that some new trance tunes started using 80s style electo riffs because there is an "electroclash" thing going on doesnt mean that the sound is developing in any ways. It was just modern, and done for mainstream purposes, doesnt mean that trance is going futuristic electro as ferry likes to thing with his overall(according to my opinion) bad album. Its just a sign of the times and still, most of the producers make the classic beat/brakdown-melody/melody-beat way.Not a single massive thing or "movement" is going on.(well, that goes for the most dance genres probably although, progressive seems to change faster, used to be more dark and tribal 2 years ago now is more trancey)
Now, i should have said befaure not only different, but of some quality as well!! The whole trance sound i think is not developing in any ways it steadily declines and a few harder techno beats or retro-electro sounds are not going to save it. I dont care if it only changes, the thing is to change to the better what do u thing? And talking about quality, both OLD psy-trance and euro-trance
genres had much more of it than the current state they are now. |
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