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WHAT?"holding on to nothing" and "follow me" 5/5??? (pg. 3)
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| PETRAN |
| oh yes, yale trance i know what techno is, yes the detroit school , the german minimal dubby school , electro-tinged stuff blah blah blah!. And Im not saying in ANY way that psy-trance is better now or the new solution to the problem. im just trying to say how 7 year old stuff i mention seemes to be of better quality than everything it exists today and that some people here that think that armins and corstens are the gods, need to search a little bit more behind the curtains!!! i cant distinquish between the genres????????? hahahaahah. yea yeah teach me(or at least say something of greater importance a##hole!) |
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| webmeister |
Petran, calm down.
Nobody is going to stop you posting your opinion, but every time someone disagrees with you, out comes the flame cannon.
Respect other people's opinions and reply in a civil manner. Otherwise your stay here will be very short. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
oh yes, yale trance i know what techno is, yes the detroit school , the german minimal dubby school , electro-tinged stuff blah blah blah!. And Im not saying in ANY way that psy-trance is better now or the new solution to the problem. im just trying to say how 7 year old stuff i mention seemes to be of better quality than everything it exists today and that some people here that think that armins and corstens are the gods, need to search a little bit more behind the curtains!!! i cant distinquish between the genres????????? hahahaahah. yea yeah teach me(or at least say something of greater importance a##hole!) |
you can distinguish genres? then why did you say that Mark Norman tracks are Crasher kid hard house. :wtf: |
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| PETRAN |
| ok, sorry, its not hard house its hard techno/trance whatever, its hard though , its crap and sorry to dissapoint you its deffinitely for the kids. As a result yes, its more likely to hear it in crashers harder room than a smaller club. Its not clever , its not atmospheric and if you want to hear some proper techno try david alvarado , helger flincsh, kowalsky, deetron or fehlmann. Anyway, starglider i never brought any revolutionary ideas to the table about revisiting older sound, i just said to stop listening to the same pattern!!!(break etc) so, new producers could try and use fresher ideas. The old psy-trance statement was about to make u think about the state that trance scene is today and to shake all these tiesto and buuren "fashion victims". Thats all. |
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| qwikk |
| :haha: looks like it's useless to even respond to you PETRAN, you obviously don't even take other people's arguements into consideration. and I love how you think everything 'hard' is for kids. :stongue: |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
ok, sorry, its not hard house its hard techno/trance whatever, its hard though , its crap and sorry to dissapoint you its deffinitely for the kids. As a result yes, its more likely to hear it in crashers harder room than a smaller club. Its not clever , its not atmospheric and if you want to hear some proper techno try david alvarado , helger flincsh, kowalsky, deetron or fehlmann. Anyway, starglider i never brought any revolutionary ideas to the table about revisiting older sound, i just said to stop listening to the same pattern!!!(break etc) so, new producers could try and use fresher ideas. The old psy-trance statement was about to make u think about the state that trance scene is today and to shake all these tiesto and buuren "fashion victims". Thats all. |
so only the minimalists and Detroit make proper techno? What do you think of the Swedish techno sound such as Adam Beyer? How about Christian Varela, Chris Liebing, Dave Clarke, Umek,Oscar Mulero, Ben Sims etc.? Too hard for your taste? Not proper techno?
Your logic is faulty, and you also fail to understand the broader concept of Dutch trance.
And I agree with you in some points, I don't like at all those first two tracks you mentioned for being souless and generic. And I'm also not impressed by the electro fusion trance stuff either.
But the harder, techier raw sound is a refreshing break from the old uplifting Dutch trance formula of the late 20th century. I believe it's what STE calls nu-hard trance. Maybe in your country the techier and harder trance has some negative implications, but it's pretty refreshing everywhere else (and this is coming from someone that hates hard dance, hard house and German hard trance).
and also let's not forget of the proggy side of the matter in the other extreme. Listening to Tiesto start a set with Dibaba-Hold you and go on to play Depeche Mode and Portishead remixes leading into the raw Black Hole tech sound was as good as it gets. (and i understand what you say about fashion victims too, which is the reason i don't like either Armin or Ferry). PvD and Tiesto however, for all their flaws, have an undeniable historic significance for the development of early 21st century music. |
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| PETRAN |
But yes, harder sounds are for the kids. Yale, i dont mean to offend you but, all these you mention have nothing to do with the true techno enthusiast, its just terrible fast stuff for people who are into lots of Es. The kind of stuff you mention (except dave clarke) are completely souless and of zero musical quality. Techno is about innovation, elaboration and futurism not fast loopy stuff which sounds like roaring trains. You say hard-techno if it has trance riffs is a pretty refreshing sound-not at all. First, to put a few (again same) euro-trance riffs in a hard loopy song is not refreshing nor clever. You say this sound is refreshing everywhere else, i come from greece and harder sounds there dont exist at all, its all progressive, funky house and tech-house there.The same goes for all southern europe(everything under belgium) You say i fail to understand the broader concept of dutch trance. Can you tell whats that than? For the last few years dutch-trance is about the same thing.(breakdowns and a similar melody line lol).
Anyways i agree with you for tiesto and PvD they had a great significance on the scene back in the day, not now though. their djing style again is a different thing than their productions(i think that pvds album was terrible same, same same stuff)with tiesto showing versatility in his sets.Anyways sorry if i ve offended anyone but thats only my opinion. I always take peoples arguments into consideration and reply appropriately, now some people because they are the "old" here think that they can be snobby and offend me(starglider etc.). Starglider mate, if you have somethin to say , say it dont just state somethin irrelevant and dissapear. |
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| dj-sean |
| Cheesy or not, I really really liked Holding Onto Nothing. I liked the vocal a lot in it. |
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| Wicked Neo |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj-sean
Cheesy or not, I really really liked Holding Onto Nothing. I liked the vocal a lot in it. |
Personally i can't get enough of the club mix of 'Holding Onto Nothing'
been loving it since tranceairwaves premiered this track.
it may be a simple tune, but that is what is so cool about this track, combined with those vocals, it's one of those tunes that can lift me just like euphoric trance is meant to and why i got into trance in the first place.
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
But yes, harder sounds are for the kids. Yale, i dont mean to offend you but, all these you mention have nothing to do with the true techno enthusiast, its just terrible fast stuff for people who are into lots of Es. The kind of stuff you mention (except dave clarke) are completely souless and of zero musical quality. |
Just because they're fast they lack musical quality (a subjective appreciation value btw)? Adam Beyer and Chris Liebing produce and spin some pretty layered and complex stuff. Why can't you just say it's not your thing? This is still about futurism and innovation, and people actually enjoy this without dropping any E...but it's PARTY music. Something like Max Walder is a perfect example of what i'm talking about, fits perfectly into a trance dj's set because it creates a violant contrast from melody.
| quote: | | First, to put a few (again same) euro-trance riffs in a hard loopy song is not refreshing nor clever. |
agreed. that's not what i'm talking about though.
| quote: | | You say this sound is refreshing everywhere else, i come from greece and harder sounds there dont exist at all, its all progressive, funky house and tech-house there.The same goes for all southern europe(everything under belgium) |
not all of southern Europe. Spain is a hard techno nation. Italy likes its doses of techno too. Gaetano Parisio, Picotto, Ricardo Ferri, Carola etc.
| quote: | | You say i fail to understand the broader concept of dutch trance. Can you tell whats that than? For the last few years dutch-trance is about the same thing.(breakdowns and a similar melody line lol). |
exactly, dutch trance got generic with very very few exceptions that actually broke the formula and structure of the past century.
| quote: | | Anyways i agree with you for tiesto and PvD they had a great significance on the scene back in the day, not now though. their djing style again is a different thing than their productions(i think that pvds album was terrible same, same same stuff)with tiesto showing versatility in his sets. |
yeah pvd's new album sucked but their track selection still has wider implications....and they are still influential enough to put tracks and music movements in the map. |
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