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Terrorism Wins in Spain (pg. 8)
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
It is related, but that's irrelevant in this thread. As I said, if I seem arrogant in this thread it is due to my Spanish background, not my school affiliation. |
Are you "the guy" who wears an Ivy League t-shirt while attending a community college? :haha: :haha: :haha:
Since i live in CT, maybe i should purchase some Yale apparel. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Are you "the guy" who wears an Ivy League t-shirt while attending a community college? :haha: :haha: :haha:
Since i live in CT, maybe i should purchase some Yale apparel. |
lol. There was actually a guy who pretended to go here, took classes for a year, and was even a co-founder of a new fraternity. a Republican nonetheless: http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=21756
back on topic now.... |
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| UnBracKo |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
fue este cabrón ;) : |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
4) Ethnicity - Spanish, Arabs they all look the same.
6) Hey its Europe, almost!
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:whip: :whip: :whip: posting this I assume this guy doesn't have any idea what happens and what happened in Spain...
A bit of history: Arabs disambarked in Spain in the 8th century. Then they were in Spain many centuries, Al-Andalus was the centre of their empire. In this epoch Christian ppl in Europe were all country ppl without any type of culture. Arabs were a developed society more advanced than the christian society. They introduced new crops, new irrigation methods, the astrology, the paper, the medicine... and many more things in Europe. So we have to be more conscious sometimes and to admit they were more advanced than us in these times.
But a part of the Arab nation many more nations like the Visigothic, the Roman, the Frankish... were in Spain for years.
Oh and the Arabs were centuries in a part of Spain (south of Spain) not in the north, for example in my province they were only 60 years. Not enough time for have any kind of Arabic sign. In fact when Arabs occupied Spain, they were only a few years in Catalonia. Girona (my province) owned to the Frankish empire (France now) since the first time to the arrival of Arabs, then the Frankish empire started to advance onto the south of Catalonia... more and more finally the creation of the Catalan Crown...
Well just say this comment is an expression of inculture at least about the Spanish history. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by me
4) Ethnicity - Spanish, Arabs they all look the same. |
Wow guys, I didn't know political correctness was that bad in Europe these days. Thats horrible how you guys can't even admit to the reality of the situation.
I have many Spanish friends here in America. Some are blonde and blue eyes (actually only one is), others have a more 'typical' Spannish mediterranian look but are fairly paled skin. And yet some more look like Arabs. Black hair, tinted skin.
What's the big deal?
Many Israelis look Arab, many Spaniards look Arab.
Therefore it doesn't raise a lot of suspicion if an Arab-looking person is wandering around the train tracks with a nice heavey backpack, as it would say in Finland.
The only thing dumb and stupid here is the people who can't realize that many Spaniards bare a physical resemblence to Arabs.
Need proof?
He even played an Arab in a movie too! (13th warrior)
I'm sorry if I offended your political correctness. Spare me the history lesson. Mediterranian people look candidly similar. |
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| occrider |
First of all, I couldn't care less whehter the spaniards opt to pull their troops out of Iraq. It's a valid decision by a democratically elected government. But I hope they did not make that decision under the premise that if they had not gotten involved they would have been any more or less safe from attacks by terrorist groups. These groups are ultimately opportunistic in nature and if they can ignite religious fervor by attacking easy targets then they will ...
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Chechen link to France threat
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 Posted: 4:59 PM EST (2159 GMT)
PARIS, France (CNN) -- French police have opened an investigation after a Paris newspaper published a letter from a Muslim group threatening the French people.
The letter from the group calling itself the "Servants of Allah the Mighty and the Wise" was addressed to the head of the French government and published in the Paris daily "Le Parisien."
It was signed with the name "Commando Movsar Barayev," on behalf of the shadowy group, the newspaper said.
Movsar Barayev is the name of the Chechen rebel and alleged leader of a deadly hostage-taking raid October 2002 on a theater in Moscow.
Russian special forces stormed the theater and killed Barayev.
The French Justice Department opened the investigation in conjunction with special police services.
Interior Ministry Nicolas Sarkozy said the letter is being analyzed.
Investigators said they had not heard of the group.
According to the Ministry of Justice, the letter contained "menacing threats for the entire nation..."
The threat was revealed as French President Jacques Chirac pledged to step up the fight against terrorism to protect citizens and institutions.
"Europe must always fight terrorism with all its strength," Chirac told reporters.
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, appearing with Chirac after bilateral talks in Paris, said he agreed with that assessment.
The leaders were meeting in the French capital nearly a week after bombs exploded on commuter trains in Madrid, killing 201 people.
Both leaders expressed solidarity with Spain in the wake of the terrorism, and vowed better cooperation among European nations to collect intelligence on various attacks.
Military force is not the only solution, Schroeder said. "One needs to look at the roots of it," including lack of development in the developing world.
Meanwhile, officials of anti-terrorist services from across the European Union were preparing to travel to Spain in the next few days to coordinate the investigation and exchange information after the Madrid bomb attacks.
"We have called a meeting for the coming days of the most important anti-terrorist services from the European Union who will meet here in Madrid," Spanish Interior Minister Angel Acebes told Reuters Monday.
"This will be to coordinate inquiries and efforts, exchange information and plan for the future."
The EU will also hold an emergency meeting of EU interior and justice ministers on Friday before a summit of European leaders on March 25-26. The issue of terrorism is sure to overshadow scheduled talks on economic reforms.
Among EU proposals being floated after Thursday's Madrid train bombings is the possibility of appointing a special EU anti-terrorism czar, Reuters reported.
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Wow guys, I didn't know political correctness was that bad in Europe these days. Thats horrible how you guys can't even admit to the reality of the situation.
I have many Spanish friends here in America. Some are blonde and blue eyes (actually only one is), others have a more 'typical' Spannish mediterranian look but are fairly paled skin. And yet some more look like Arabs. Black hair, tinted skin.
What's the big deal?
Many Israelis look Arab, many Spaniards look Arab.
Therefore it doesn't raise a lot of suspicion if an Arab-looking person is wandering around the train tracks with a nice heavey backpack, as it would say in Finland.
The only thing dumb and stupid here is the people who can't realize that many Spaniards bare a physical resemblence to Arabs.
Need proof?
He even played an Arab in a movie too! (13th warrior)
I'm sorry if I offended your political correctness. Spare me the history lesson. Mediterranian people look candidly similar. |
Of course some look Arab, they lived there (but barely in the north) for centuries and they are Mediterranean people. However, you said "they all look the same" and that can easily be interpreted as an offensive comment beyond political correctness.
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
First of all, I couldn't care less whehter the spaniards opt to pull their troops out of Iraq. It's a valid decision by a democratically elected government. |
Thank you.
| quote: | | But I hope they did not make that decision under the premise that if they had not gotten involved they would have been any more or less safe from attacks by terrorist groups. These groups are ultimately opportunistic in nature and if they can ignite religious fervor by attacking easy targets then they will ... |
You mean the decision of the Spanish people in the polls, or the decision of the newly-elected government? Because the party that won the election would have pulled out of Iraq regardless of any attacks.
And the decision of the Spanish electorate was influenced by many factors, but the losing party brought this upon themselves for misleading the population in the handling of the attacks, bringing back to the table the issue of Spain's involvement in the Coalition of the Willing against the will of an absolute majority of Spaniards. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
First of all, I couldn't care less whehter the spaniards opt to pull their troops out of Iraq. It's a valid decision by a democratically elected government. But I hope they did not make that decision under the premise that if they had not gotten involved they would have been any more or less safe from attacks by terrorist groups. These groups are ultimately opportunistic in nature and if they can ignite religious fervor by attacking easy targets then they will ... |
Go with Occrider here. Pull your little company-sized token force back to Spain from Iraq (no one would notice anyhow if they left) and go cower in a friggin' hole waiting for a few dozen Al-Quaeda to make their next move and terrorize your entire multi-million population. BWAHAAHAAA! What a bunch of friggin' pussies!!! Go check out the thinnest book in the library entitled "French War Heroes" for a reference...and go figure out why you're a third rate Third World country while you're at it!
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
and go figure out why you're a third rate Third World country while you're at it!
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Spain??? :conf: |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
Spain??? :conf: |
Well, the running of the bulls is quite savage in nature.:toothless |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vesa
Wow, now you put it exactly like I see it.
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That's horrible.
No wonder European governments are so ineffective.
When you demand inhuman results from humans (that politicans be infailable for example) you're going to get inhuman results. If you judge your politicans by a standard or perfection you will continually be disappointed and typically recieve the opposite results.
When you demand human results from humans, you're going to get human results. And that means imperfect progress, but at least is progess none the less.
Though I can't say much for the US system either. The USA is demanding more and more infailable politicans as it is. Of course this is typically from the left (I don't know if they do this because it coincides with their beliefs, or because they are the opposition).
But it happens, Bush basically has said he was wrong about the WMD. Dean apologized for looking like the devil at when the election failed (though this didn't seem to help, again look at the note regarding the left).
Kerry has not apologized for chaning his views on Iraq and a slew of other issues, and is unpopular for such.
In the USA it is much more acceptable to change your views when the facts change.
Admitedly I believe however that Israel has the most candid set of politicans, they tell it as it is, and if they aren't there, good bye. Of course this doesn't boad very well in 'diplomatic' circles as it defintely lacks 'tact.
Vesa, one question to you there... in Finland is military service compulsory? If you want people to think about security you have to involve them in the process. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Admitedly I believe however that Israel has the most candid set of politicans, they tell it as it is, and if they aren't there, good bye. Of course this doesn't boad very well in 'diplomatic' circles as it defintely lacks 'tact.
Vesa, one question to you there... in Finland is military service compulsory? If you want people to think about security you have to involve them in the process. |
If you want to see an ass whooping, let's put Israel against Finland. Only problem would be for Iraeli occupation forces.
Lol!
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vesa
It would make us totally defenseless against terrorists :nervous: |
Hey Drug_Tito, how about we abort our plan to take over a carribean island and head over to the icy-wasteland known as Finland? :D
Sorry inside joke.. you missed it, was two weeks ago.
But tell me, what are you doing awake over there at this ungodly hour?
I'm also curious, would you be a supporter of Finish forces in Iraq?
I would think any military experience is good military experience in your case. Plus it might bring back a few guys with some good insight and experience.
Israel I think has very good anti-terrorism planning, very likely the best in the world. I think much of it is due to civilian awareness however. And a gun is not but 5 sec away from virtually every plance your at. Makes you feel real safe actually.
I mean why do you think Palestinians blow themselves up? They can't get off more than two shots with a rifle that otherwise would do more damage. They can't go colombine in Israel, they'd be brought down to quick. A bomb is only a sec, no one can react that quick. |
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