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Audio Synthesizer Set Up Help
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| Phantax |
I need a little help with my audio lines if any experts out there can save me it'd be amazing.....
i just need to run a synth/soundcard/mixer audio line set up....but i cant seem to get it right.....it's becoming a bigger challenge than i ever imagined it would be.
my soudcard is a delta 44 and has the following in and out configuration....
in 1
in 2
in 3
in 4
out 1
out 2
out 3
out 4
in the back of my synthesizer there are these connections that read....
---------Audio Outs---------
L R - L R - L R - L R - L R
.a.....b.....c.....d....mix.
here are some pics of the mixer that i have....
http://www.euroaura.com/tascam/tascam.JPG
http://www.euroaura.com/tascam/tascam2.JPG
http://www.euroaura.com/tascam/tascam3.JPG
now...exactly how do i hook up the audio lines so that i can get sound into my computer? i've been trying for the longest time but i'm never certain whether it's Logic's synth page that i dont have right or the audio lines......so i need to be sure that my audio lines are hooked up exactly right before i set up my hardware synth page in logic.
but im not 100% sure that i have my lines set up properly.....
can someone lend a hand with the configuration of my audio lines? i cant even begin to tell you how many months i've been trying to do this...any help would be huge!!!! thanks! |
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| Limit |
ok what I suggest you do is you take channel 1 and 2 out from your card and plug those into channel 1 and 2 line-in of your tascam....make sur eyou pan the left channel hard left and the right hard right so you are working in stereo not mono. Next it looks like you might be working with a Nord since you have the A,B,C,D outputs of your synth but i could be wrong. So anyway all you need to do is use is the A and B outs of your synths and plug them into channel 3 and 4 of your board and hard pan each channel left and right(I could explain what to use the others outs for but just read your manual if you want to use em). Ok back to the task at hand, So now you have your lines out from your sound card into your board. Now take channel 2 and 3 of your soundcard and run the lines into group outputs/aux sends. This will remove the feedback loop and will let you listen to whats coming out of your sequencer into your monitors and add what is going into you board as well. Make sure that channel 1 and 2 are set to aux send so you can hear everything through your monitors. Oh and I forgot...plug your monitors into monitor output L/R...Now in order to record anything into your sequencer you need to set the channel(s) that you want to record to aux send and take channel 1 and 2 off aux send so you wont record what you already have in you sequencer. It sounds complicated but set it up and play around with it and you get the hang of it. Now I don't use Logic so you could possibly set up some routings in there but I don't use it so can't help you there.
Hope this helped.
Limit out! |
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| Phantax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Limit
So now you have your lines out from your sound card into your board. Now take channel 2 and 3 of your soundcard and run the lines into group outputs/aux sends. |
i should put the audio cables into channel 2 and 3 IN of my soundcard....and not channel 1 and 2...or 3 and 4?
2 and 3 would be right in the middle kinda..
here's a pic cuz they're fun =)
this is great help so far man....really appreciate the extra information you're giving me!! |
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| Limit |
sorry i might have screwed up there, channel 1 and 2(ins) is the right one.sorry it was kinda hard to keep track but it's sort of makes sense. Here's something to make it easier to understand.
IN(s) Synth Out(s)
Sound Ch 1 Ch 1 A
Card Ch 2 Ch 2 B
IN(s) Ch 3 Ch 3 Mixer C
Ch 4 Ch 4 (Console) D
Ch 5 Channels In(s)
Sound Ch 1 Ch 6
Card Ch 2 Ch 7
OUT(s)Ch 3 Ch 8
Ch 4 Aux Send(OUT)
Monitor Outpout L/R(OUT)
Instructions:
1.Card Out 1-2 to Mixer in 1-2(pan hard left & right)
2.Mixer Aux Send(out) to sound card in 1-2
3.Synth A-B to Mixer In 3-4(pan hard left & right)
4.monitor out to monitor in's
Now you should be set.
*Tip that I like to do with extra outs*
(THIS IS ONLY USEABLE IF YOU HAVE A HARDWARE COMPRESSOR)
Now you have an extra channel on your card to do with as you please. Since you don't have a massive board or a lot of channels on your card I suggest you use that extra out as a compression channel..this is what I do(but I have lots of channels to play with). So what you can do is send your sounds in your sequencer to that channel that is passed through a compressor and compress them and then recode them.
make sure that the extra out(3-4 in your case)of your card goes through the compressor first the out from there to the Board.
man that was a bitch to write down but i'm all to happy to help out!
Limit Out! |
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| Limit |
| I set up diagram there with just letters and numbers but it got allf ucked up?? Just follow the steps and you'll be ok. I cleaned up what I said in the first post. |
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| Phantax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Limit
3.Synth A-B to Mixer In 3-4(pan hard left & right)
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ok regarding this part.......
at the back of my synthesizer it reads like this
one group is - >>> A and it has a Left out channel and a Right out channel...both belonging to group A
and B has the same....a Left out channel and a Right out channel
and so on for group C and D
so wouldn't the cables that come out of my mixers Aux 1 and 2 go into one of those groups L and R channels....not crossing groups like you mentioned using A and B <- it doesn't seem right so i have to ask now while im on this step....
plus it is a good time to also mention like i wrote in my first post...that while the groups are marked off by letters A B C D where the letter E would be... it's replaced by a channel called "MIX" and the Mix channel has an L and R out as well...just like the A B C and D groups do.
which group do i run my audio cables from... A B C D or MIX?
and any explanation of what the MIX category is for would be a bonus.
your help is really clutch..thanx again!!! |
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| josh |
| Did the sound came out from the syth and is there sound coming out from ur computer as well when u play the song? |
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| Limit |
| ok first of al what synth are you using? second just use group a and put those in channel 3-4 thats it. aux send should only got to the sound card in ok. Mix in from what i know is a external input on synthesisers that lets you pass a signal into it from another source for example another synth or a sampler or even a sound from your sequencer. It gives you the ability to change that sound using the filters and Lfo's and in some cases the onboard fx. |
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| Phantax |
I have followed the instructions but i'm still not able to get any sound using this configuration...
I have my synth (kurzweil k2000R) hooked up to my mixer using group A (Outs)...L and R channels running to the mixers 3 and 4 IN channels
I have 1 and 2 IN channels on the mixer running to 1 and 2 OUTS on my soundcard....
And on the mixer again....the AUX send channels 1 and 2 are running to the soundcards IN 1 and 2 channels....
There are these buttons on my mixer...it has a heading that says "SELECT" and underneath this heading it has the following categories....
L-R
1-2 - group aux
3-4 - group aux
EXT
MONO
i have pressed the group aux 1-2 button...which i think is correct but im not sure..
we can tell that there is a signal coming into the mixer because we can overload the channel........but not one sound is being made.
the faders are up and the volume should be coming through...
do you have any ideas what part of my set up here is keeping the sound from being heard? do i have to change something in my soundcard properties? does a button (or more than 1) have to be selected on my mixer somewhere?
any ideas of where we're going wrong would be greatly appreciated once again...
thank you for all your efforts so far |
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| Limit |
Well if you could put up a pic of your mixers master section...there should be a selecltion which lets you select aux sends to the outs when they are selected. I don't know your Board so I can't help you right now. Are you sure you have your monitors set up right? volume up on them(if they have volume controlls). There might also be a button in the master section that says something..i can't remeber right now. I'm in class right now so when I get home I'll let you know. Please put up a pic of your board so I can tell you what to select. also please read your manul.
Limit Out! |
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| Phantax |
the volume is up on the monitor speakers.....
every piece of our equipment has been tested out and used by us over the past year...and everything works fine...
but when trying to run these lines in a proper fashion so that sound ends up in our computer....nothing happens...no sound is produced for some reason.
i would post pics of our mixer but i dont have a camera anymore.......the pics i have used in this thread are a year old....we've been trying to hook our synths up to our mixer for over a year now :( probably put in 500 plus hours...and after that amount of trying..it really becomes discouraging.....we've read the manuals 100's of times...but we're not really sure where our sound is being haulted...could it be the mixer? the sound card properties? there are so many different areas where the problem could be but i have no idea....
but at least now with your help we're certain that our cables are hooked up properly.....that is a relief on so many levels.
as for the mixer......coincidentally the ONLY thing not being displayed is the ONE thing I'm trying to describe to you now...Its really been the way things have been going for us.....So as far as everything else that you need to view on our mixer...it's displayed...and the one thing I need to describe...I can only tell you in text what is says...which I already mentioned but I'll try and revise it a little bit......
actually here it is right here exactly.... =)
disregard the RED CIRCLE which has nothing to do with me....it was already on the pic when i found it. |
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| Limit |
| ok so select aux 1-2 and 3-4 and that should run into your computer via aux send or in reality it is known as a bus. so you must have the aux send buttons seletcted under the channel strips as well(under channel 1-2 and 3-4) this will send all sound going in the mixer to the soundcard ins but seperate it so you don't get a feedback loop. also if you have a monitor or controll room fader that will probably act as the master volume for the bus you are using. I'm running a Mackie in this exact fashin and it works great. I'm also runnig a Delta crad but a Delta 1010 and I have a patchbay router in my system tray as well as some other features ti tinker with...if you have that with teh 44 look at someof the routing options to see if the volume level is up and so on. Alsao check to see if logic is sending the audio to the right channels..another thing noticed in those pics you posted up of your board is taht the trim is set to -5db it should be set to a proper amount but that is done by testing the output sound...and should be explained in your manual. I know those pics are a year old but just incase you should check. Do you see the master volume LED's lighting up when you try and pass sound from your sequencer? if so then it's just a matter of pressing the right buttons like I explained in the beggining of the current post. This is teh reason I only work with Mackies(and then there is teh fact that they have the cleanes damn signal you could ever possible imagin). Try this stuff out and let me know whats up. |
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