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how long for beatmatching (pg. 3)
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| Dirk W. |
And while I am being an , let me go ahead and laugh at all the people who have been playing around on their turntables for a few days and can perfectly beatmatch now. Getting lucky once in a while is one thing, everyone does, but just nailing it down even within a month's time... I call bull.
And another thing....
You watch the big kiddies (Tiesto, Oakenfold, Paul van Dyk) and you will notice them constantly making changes and adjustments, even through a transition. I consider myself fairly competent now after two years, but I still would not go the extreme of saying I can perfectly match after 15 seconds.
Hang in there, you will learn how to do it someday instead of just yapping about it.
It's a great hobby / profession. Make sure you record yourself and listen to how your mixes were and how they are constantly improving. The newbies will look back after a month, listen to their old stuff and realize how far they came and how little they knew when they started. I know I am always learning new things still.... |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dirk W.
Now I know, this forum should stick to the positive, I just wanted to take a moment to laugh at all the people who can perfectly beatmatch every song in a mix within 15 seconds.
There is no way to perfectly beatmatch a song in 15 seconds. There are always minor adjustments to make. Some you can't even detect until 30-45 seconds into the song. If it takes you 15 seconds for a perfect beatmatch then your idea of a perfect beatmatch will stay in sync for 20-30 seconds at the most. If you don't make any adjustments after that then you are going to be trainwrecking a good transistion (unless of course you are just using the crossfader to switch between records and only making a 15-20 second transistion between songs).
And thats my thoughts on the issue.... |
eh well actually I have noticed that with some records when you get them matched you can almost hear a pop when you have them matched whenever the bass hits. Its very hard to explain and I had no idea what this one kid was telling me about years ago, but now I finally do.
so sometimes I can tell 20 seconds er so into it that it is matched up.
but in the end, speed of beatmatching is really the most irrelevent thing in djin. You don't really think about it after the first year or two of djin. It is more track selection and transitions.
so don't worry, there are bigger obsticles than this. |
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| Dirk W. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
so don't worry, there are bigger obsticles than this. |
I agree... using the mixer, EQ fading and key matching are all a lot more difficult in my opinion than beatmatching. Your technique has to adapt to each transistion that is being made if you want it to sound just right. I don't think I will ever fully understand that. Besides the fact I am tone def, so keys have always been a really big challenge. |
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| auujay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
but in the end, speed of beatmatching is really the most irrelevent thing in djin. You don't really think about it after the first year or two of djin. It is more track selection and transitions.
so don't worry, there are bigger obsticles than this. |
Totally agree. At first beatmatching may seem hard, but once you grasp the basics you will keep improving.
Definitly the best way to improve is to record all your mixes. Just the other day I recorded an hour and half set that I really enjoyed spinning and I thought it was real solid. I'm thinking ya, finally getting to teh point of playing off the cuff and making good transistions... well when I listened to it I was suprised how it sounded. I mean there were no trainwrecks but it did not sound nearly as tight as I was expecting.
In fact that is why I never post my mixes in the DJ Promotion forum, because I record a set and then I listen to it and I can hear what is wrong with it. I don't need other people repeating the same things I know :) |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by auujay
Totally agree. At first beatmatching may seem hard, but once you grasp the basics you will keep improving.
Definitly the best way to improve is to record all your mixes. Just the other day I recorded an hour and half set that I really enjoyed spinning and I thought it was real solid. I'm thinking ya, finally getting to teh point of playing off the cuff and making good transistions... well when I listened to it I was suprised how it sounded. I mean there were no trainwrecks but it did not sound nearly as tight as I was expecting.
In fact that is why I never post my mixes in the DJ Promotion forum, because I record a set and then I listen to it and I can hear what is wrong with it. I don't need other people repeating the same things I know :) |
hehe, just wait til you make one you like. I finally made one that is damn good for the first half hour 45 mins...but now that is all I listen to in my car.
I can't stop listening to it. kinda sucks....yet it is so cool. |
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| borron |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dirk W.
Now I know, this forum should stick to the positive, I just wanted to take a moment to laugh at all the people who can perfectly beatmatch every song in a mix within 15 seconds.
There is no way to perfectly beatmatch a song in 15 seconds. There are always minor adjustments to make. Some you can't even detect until 30-45 seconds into the song. If it takes you 15 seconds for a perfect beatmatch then your idea of a perfect beatmatch will stay in sync for 20-30 seconds at the most. If you don't make any adjustments after that then you are going to be trainwrecking a good transistion (unless of course you are just using the crossfader to switch between records and only making a 15-20 second transistion between songs).
And thats my thoughts on the issue.... |
Well, if you can't do it, that's your problem. When i know 2 tracks, i can beatmatch nicely in 10 seconds. But of course i have to make corrections at least at the first 30 seconds, even if the pitch is almost there.
Once you make a perfect pitch (ok, a near-perfect pitch), you can almost hear a "click". When that click occurs, you know that they will stay in sync for more than a minute without corrections. The problem with this is that sometimes when doing a bass swap, the bass beats cancel each other out (like if the bass completely dissapeared). This is solved by taking the pitch a little bit up or down, thus ruining the perfect pitch and obligating you to make more 30 second corrections.
Of course all this depends on which device you are using. The above i can only do with my technics turntables. With a CDJ100, which uses 0.1% pitch increments, the mix cannot survive more than 30 seconds without corrections, sometimes even less. |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by borron
Well, if you can't do it, that's your problem. When i know 2 tracks, i can beatmatch nicely in 10 seconds. But of course i have to make corrections at least at the first 30 seconds, even if the pitch is almost there.
Once you make a perfect pitch (ok, a near-perfect pitch), you can almost hear a "click". When that click occurs, you know that they will stay in sync for more than a minute without corrections. The problem with this is that sometimes when doing a bass swap, the bass beats cancel each other out (like if the bass completely dissapeared). This is solved by taking the pitch a little bit up or down, thus ruining the perfect pitch and obligating you to make more 30 second corrections.
Of course all this depends on which device you are using. The above i can only do with my technics turntables. With a CDJ100, which uses 0.1% pitch increments, the mix cannot survive more than 30 seconds without corrections, sometimes even less. |
when the beats cancel just bump one ahead a little bit. the cancelling is caused by the sound waves going in 180 deg opposite direction. so while one is on its up swing, the onther is at the bottom therefore cancelling the sound.
So if you bump one track just barely forward you cannot tell that they are not perfectly matched and yet you can hear both bass lines. I studied up on this one, it is easy when there is an audiotory psychologist at my uni. |
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| [UK]Trancedewdİ |
am i the only one which takes like 4 mins to beatmatch tracks? :nervous:
i manage to beatmatch perfectly every time...but it always takes so damn long doing it. The slightest touch to my pitch slider makes a BIG difference, so i have to be very very soft on it :whip: |
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| Flash Bastard |
| 4 min is pretty long .. but he if it sound ok ..then it, it doesn't matter .. it take me a min or 2 or 3 to match good .. |
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| bent |
| i dunno if its been said already, but i think i read in another threatd that its more important to be able to spot when the beats are (or going to be) off rather than being able to beatmatch in 20s .. although if u can beatmatch quickly, ur ears are probably good enough to spot the small differences |
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| visje |
| quote: | Originally posted by borron
Once you make a perfect pitch (ok, a near-perfect pitch), you can almost hear a "click". When that click occurs, you know that they will stay in sync for more than a minute without corrections. The problem with this is that sometimes when doing a bass swap, the bass beats cancel each other out (like if the bass completely dissapeared). This is solved by taking the pitch a little bit up or down, thus ruining the perfect pitch and obligating you to make more 30 second corrections.
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FYI i dont think you shoukd touch the pitch when the beats are cancelling each other out. U have to Fix it with ure EQ, the longer u can hear the beats cancelled out (in ure headphones then) the better as u know u got it beatmatched right. Work the EQ takes practice to know how its done the best way, i ussualy fix it by almost cutting the bass from the outgoing track.
Ive been mixing for 2 months now and i generally beat match ok, im having problems with correcting while in a mix. Im trying it through the pitch instead of touching the platter.
IMO it doesnt matter how long it takes to beatmatch, as long as its in time for the next mix and its solid.
and BTW i can make this "click" happen on my ty Str-80s |
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| trancinchink |
wow... it seems like everyone's a professional when it comes to djing. woot. good for u guys.:rolleyes:
ex. the 2 month dj whos tellin people they're wrong |
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